Via 28 Reasons I’m DONE Talking To Most Of My Conservative Friends And Family Members.
“2. You cite Jesus as your reasoning for rejecting marriage equality.
Yet the Bible only mentions homosexuality six times. Six. Times. 6. ”
How many times did the Bible have to say not to have sex with animals before you obey that?
You cheat by calling it “marriage equality.” The relationships are not equal. There is nothing unequal about only recognizing marriage between a man and a woman. It is the only logical position to take.
“Marriage equality” is a fallacious term. Those relationships aren’t equal, as they can never produce children (as most hetero unions can) and they can never provide a mother and a father to a child (as all hetero unions can).
Anyone holding an opposing view is either advancing the homosexual agenda or they have been fooled by it.
Here’s why: 1. It is an oxymoron: “The same sex union of a man and a woman.” People have as much of a right to it as they do to a square circle. 2. By nature and design, homosexual couples can not produce children. 3. By nature and design, homosexual couples can never provide a mother and a father to a child, which is the obvious ideal whether you are religious or an atheist (there are no gay parents in Darwinian evolution). 4. Sexual behavior does not confer Civil Rights status.
Note that none of those reasons involve religious arguments, even though there is nothing wrong with letting our religious views inform our political views. If people want to know what Jesus thinks on the matter I’d be glad to tell them (short version: 100% of the Bible verses relating to homosexual behavior describe it as sin in the strongest possible terms, 100% of the verses addressing God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman, 100% of the verses addressing parenting involve one man and one woman, and 0% of the verses refer to homosexual behavior in positive or even benign terms).
I anticipate several canards when addressing this topic, such as the “but they love each other” bit. Those arguments come from ignorance or disingenuousness. After all, no one — including all the Christians I know — is saying they can’t have relationships. Hey, they can go to any number of apostate churches and get “married.” The question is whether we want or need the government to regulate their relationships. We don’t.
What about hospital visitation, estate issues, etc.? They can be solved without changing the definition of marriage to “a union of any combination of things that we decide it to be.” For example, estate taxes are ghoulish and should be abandoned for everyone, not just gays (do you really want the gov’t to profit from your death?).
Children of same-sex couples do less well than those of married couples — http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/study-children-of-same-sex-couples-do-less-well-than-those-of-married-couples/
The argument that Jesus never said anything about homosexual behavior (or abortion, etc.) fails on many levels. If a church leader uses it you can be confident that he or she is ignorant and/or malicious.
Short version: Yes, He did say something about it, but the theological Left ignores or distorts it as they do with many things about Jesus and his teachings. Note how Jesus defeats oxymoronic “same-sex marriage,” same-sex parenting and even Darwinian evolution in one simple passage. No true follower of him should disagree on any of those topics.
Matthew 19:4–5 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?”
Arguing from silence is a logical fallacy.
Jesus is God and part of the Trinity that inspired all scripture.
Note how Jesus defeats Darwinian evolution, oxymoronic “same-sex marriage” and same-sex parenting arguments in one simple passage. No true follower of him should disagree on any of those topics. Matthew 19:4–5 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?”
He supported the Old Testament law to the last letter.
The “red letters” weren’t silent on these topics in the sense that they reiterated what marriage and murder were.
He emphasized many other important issues that these Leftist theologians completely ignore (Hell, his divinity, his exclusivity, etc.).
He was equally “silent” on issues that these folks treat as having the utmost importance (capital punishment, war, welfare, universal health care, taxpayer-funded abortions, etc.).
He didn’t specifically mention rape, child abuse, pedophilia, bestiality and other obvious sins though that wouldn’t justify them.
Abortion and homosexual behavior simply weren’t hot topics for 1st century Jews. They actually thought children were a blessing and they had laws against homosexual behavior.
And the Gospels never claimed to include everything He said. John specifically notes that the whole world couldn’t hold it all! (John 21:25).
And Jesus never said anything about the “sin” of criticizing homosexual behavior, so it must be OK!
Long version: http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/what-jesus-didnt-say-3/
“So why is this one of the biggest issues on your agenda? Why are you putting so much energy and hate into an issue that clearly wasn’t one of God’s major concerns?”
It was one of his major concerns. http://wp.me/p1wGU-3P7 The Bible couldn’t be more clear. Bible-believing Christians and even two out of the three types of pro-gay people* (religious or not) can see these truths:
– 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior describe it as sin in the clearest and strongest possible terms.
– 100% of the verses referring to God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.
– 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).
– 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions of any kind. There are no exceptions for “committed” relationships.
– 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to LGBT couples parenting children.
* The three general types of pro-gay theology people:
1. “The Bible says homosexuality is wrong but it isn’t the word of God.” (Obviously non-Christians)
2. “The Bible says it is wrong but God changed his mind and is only telling the theological Left.” (Only about 10 things wrong with that.)
3. “The Bible is the word of God but you are just misunderstanding it” (Uh, no, not really.)
“YOU (we) have destroyed the sanctity of marriage. There is no possible way that gay marriage can do more harm to marriage than heterosexuals have done.”
Oxymoronic “same-sex marriage” causes all sorts of problems — Here are 300 examples of the LGBTQX agenda at work — large and small — http://englishmanif.blogspot.com/2014/07/300-articles-you-have-to-read-to.html
Also see what government recognition of “same-sex marriage” did in Massachussetts — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZX55HUPFSU&feature=youtu.be
“Yet we seldom hear a sermon bemoaning the divorce rate or people living together before marriage. Why is that? Because the pews would be empty.”
1. You should go to real churches more often.
2. Yes, those are sins (at least most divorces are and all out-of-wedlock sex is). But we don’t have people making parades about how adultery is something to be proud about.