Roundup

The Christian Post reports that a panel of Episcopal theologians are working on preparing “a paper on same-sex relationships in the life of the church.” This group of “theologians” “very intentionally represents a robust range of views on the subject and includes gays and lesbian persons.”

Wow – I am so happy to hear that a panel studying “same-sex relationships in the life of the church” includes same-sex advocates. This should be a really unbiased examination of what God’s Word has to say, dontcha think? 

It is a joke that they are even asking the question.  As someone who has actually read the Bible, I’ll be glad to save them some time:

  • 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior denounce it as sin in the clearest and strongest possible terms.
  • 100% of the verses referencing God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.
  • 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).
  • 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions or oxymoronic “same sex marriage.”

We are all sinners in need of a savior, even if you excluded our sexual sins.  But Christians should never encourage sin or say that sin isn’t sin.  That is profoundly un-loving and the opposite of what Jesus did.

This is really not that complicated.  For a more thorough discussion on what the Bible really says, see Problems with pro-gay theology and Responding to Pro-Gay Theology.

Despite the lies of the Left, this is what is coming soon to a country near you: UK Police tell Christian Preacher: it’s a crime to say ‘homosexuality is a sin’. But always remember that there is definitely no homosexual agenda.

President Obama has appointed Kevin Jennings, co-founder and executive director of the Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network (GLSEN), to be Deputy Assistant Secretary of Education for the Department of Safe and Drug-Free Schools.  Read this link and see how the public face is all about alleged anti-bullying efforts but their real motives are still in the closet:

After the “town hall meeting” concluded and the media had left the building, the 210 attendees broke into private workshop groups, where GLSEN presenters expounded a markedly different vision for the future. Denouncing the quest for “tolerance” as a “condescending campaign for the second-class citizenry” —— as one speaker put it —— the presenters spoke frankly about their goal to have homosexuality open “affirmed” and celebrated” in American’s schools.

“We might start with people who…say, ‘Well, I can go as far as tolerance,’ and then we build from there,” Kalteissen said. “And our job, I believe, is to move them down the scale…Tolerance is not enough, let’s keep going.”

Hmmmm . . . is it possible that people who are aggressively trying to teach kindergartners how normal this behavior is could lie about their motives?

But always remember that there is definitely no homosexual agenda.

A new religion masquerading as Christianity — a former theological liberal explains how things changed once she quit putting her personal preferences over the commands of the Bible. 

Before I came to know Christ in a saving way I was a liberal “Christian.” (That was before the liberals coined the term “progressive Christian.”) As all liberals do, I molded Christianity into my worldview. Problem was I kept running into a road block — the Bible.

I hope that the theological liberals who visit this site will make the same course correction that she did — while there is still time!

Just when you thought they couldn’t go any lower: Free abortions to honor George Tiller! (OK, we knew they could go lower.)

How Unconstitutional is Barack Obama? Let me count the ways — Why aren’t Liberals and ACLU types going insane over this?!

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  1. Just when you thought they couldn’t go any lower: Free abortions to honor George Tiller! (OK, we knew they could go lower.)

    Come quickly, Lord Jesus.

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  2. Regarding the George Tiller case. Something I haven’t seen mentioned is that both G. Tiller along with Dennis Rader (the infamous BTK killer) attended and were members in good standing in ELCA Lutheran Churches in Wichita KS. Is there something in the water in that town, or has the ELCA so dumbed down its Christian message, that its members can no longer discern when they are in the presence of true evil?

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    1. Iris, I hope there isn’t anything in the water in Wichita. (although there is a rather unpleasant odor eminating from the canal that runs through the center of town. You get used to it.)

      I grew up in Wichita. In fact, I once lived right across the street from Tiller’s “schlacthaus”, and one of BTK’s intended (she never came home, and he left) victims lived one block from me.

      As far as I know, I am still normal.

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  3. Regarding same sex marriage, most of the people talking about this are blogs like yours. Most people realize that soon this will cease to be an issue. This is the way the world is going. Society has evolved. We put slavery behind us. We put segregation behind us. We’ve almost put women’s rights behind us. At each turn it’s been the “traditionalists” resisting change. This is no different.

    Where I live, this is not even an issue. I’ve been to gay weddings, and nobody even bats an eye. There’s no difference. It’s just a couple of people who love one another, and want to share the joys of life, whatever that may be for them.

    There is absolutely no excuse for you to take that away from them. They mean nothing to you. You don’t know their names. You don’t know their feelings. You cannot possibly be hurt in any way shape of form by them calling themselves “married”, or by the state calling them a married couple.

    And you call the criticism of their lives “loving”.

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    1. Ryan, let’s take your comment seriously for a moment and see if there is any logic whatsoever behind your views.

      Regarding same sex marriage, most of the people talking about this are blogs like yours.

      That is completely irrelevant and proves nothing.

      Most people realize that soon this will cease to be an issue.

      That may be true but is completely irrelevant to the morality of what is being addressed. Just because change happens doesn’t mean it is moral.

      This is the way the world is going.

      Again, completely irrelevant to the morality in question. The world has also increased in girls being sold as sex slaves. That doesn’t make it right — unless perhaps in your “logical” world.

      Society has evolved. We put slavery behind us. We put segregation behind us. We’ve almost put women’s rights behind us. At each turn it’s been the “traditionalists” resisting change. This is no different.

      Your claim is that things change, so the changes must be good. Again, consider sexual slaves. Consider drug use. Consider pornography. Consider divorce. Consider abortions. Abortions used to be illegal, then it became legal to crush and dismember innocent human beings. Using your logic, all change is good. Wrong answer.

      Where I live, this is not even an issue. I’ve been to gay weddings, and nobody even bats an eye. There’s no difference.

      Many people don’t bat an eye over abortion. The Middle East doesn’t bat an eye over beating or killing rape victims. Your reasoning proves nothing.

      It’s just a couple of people who love one another, and want to share the joys of life, whatever that may be for them.

      That is a common fallacy: You imply that we are stopping them from loving one another. Your premise is completely false.

      There is absolutely no excuse for you to take that away from them. They mean nothing to you. You don’t know their names.

      All those points are irrelevant as well. Insert that logic into the case of Muslims beating or stoning rape victims. Do you know there names?

      You don’t know their feelings. You cannot possibly be hurt in any way shape of form by them calling themselves “married”, or by the state calling them a married couple.

      More of the same irrelevancies. I demonstrated above how state-sponsored oxymoronic same sex marriage erodes religious freedoms and results in children having the homosexual agenda forced on them. And then you come by with emotions disguised as arguments and ignore the evidence.

      And you call the criticism of their lives “loving”.

      Yes. You can encourage people to mock God, but I won’t. Is it hateful to tell people not to steal, lie or murder? Is it hateful to rebut people who lie and say you can have sex outside marriage without consequences?

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      1. You didn’t even try to understand what I was saying Neil. You can’t take each sentence of mine and prove it wrong with completely unrelated arguments. Read the whole thing. Each sentence brings me closer to showing you my point. Some are just supporting statements, and many of your implications are dead wrong. Sometimes a thought is greater than the sum of its parts.

        You really don’t care about the people who get hurt by Christians forcing their ideal way of life on others. I know you think you’re helping them by bring them closer to Jesus, but as soon as you use legislation to force them towards what you believe is right, you have crossed the line.

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      2. Seems to me it’s the homosexual activists who have crossed the line, by your reasoning, by their use of legislation, mostly the courts, to force US towards what THEY believe is right.

        Few tradtionalists would deny homosexuals the “right” to love each other. What we oppose is their determination to insist that we believe as they do regarding their deviancy.

        Also, it’s no secret what your trying to say, Ryan. It’s been said before ad nauseum. But as to what the world might think with the passing of another generation or two, wrong will still be wrong, no matter how many people agree or not. Should the world come to believe as you do regarding homosexuality, I have no doubt that the world will be looking for ways to mend the harm that will surely come by the change, but do so without admitting the source of the harm. The snowball will swell.

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      3. The “homosexual activists” are not trying to change the way YOU live. There’s the difference. They don’t care about what you do at home. They don’t care what you believe. They want to get married, and then go home and be a family just like you and me.

        Do you think that if all the rights that straight couples enjoy were given to gay couples, that they would keep protesting? You seem to think that they will not stop until everyone else is gay too. They are not promoting “being gay”. They don’t want you to be gay. They want you to get out of their way, and live your own life, instead of trying to tell them how to live theirs.

        No harm will come out of giving homosexuals the right to marry. They are already going to live together, and they are already going to sleep together – you can’t take that away from them, much as you would like to. Calling their relationship marriage will harm nobody. Actually – the only thing it would do is make them happy – which, it seems, is what you want to prevent.

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      4. Well said Ryan. I’ve tried to make the same point before, but lack your eloquence.

        We’ve all heard the old atheist joke “blasphemy is a victimless crime”. The same can be said of gay marriage.

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      5. What a bizarro world morning. Michael, you surprised me. I figured that even though you hold the same view as Ryan re. oxymoronic “same-sex marriage” that you’d realize his arguments were empty sound bites.

        Just because someone holds your ultimate view doesn’t mean you want to support their arguments. I know plenty of Christians who I wish would shut up, and I could argue on behalf of atheism (even though I know it is thoroughly false) better than most atheists.

        One bad argument undoes ten good ones, and Ryan offered a bunch of bad ones.

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      6. Sorry Neil, you know me: shoot from the hip. I was too quick on the draw there.
        I read Ryan’s comment above as a general statement, rather than an attack on you or any specific individual.

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      7. Ryan, once again you argue against points I did not make.

        They don’t care about what you do at home. They don’t care what you believe. They want to get married, and then go home and be a family just like you and me.

        Fact: I’m not trying to stop what they do at home.

        Fact: I don’t care if they care what I believe, and I don’t care what they believe. I care about their suppression of religious freedom and their poisoning of children.

        Fact: I am not stopping them from being a “family” at home, except that I oppose adoption of children by homosexuals, practicing bisexuals, transgenders, etc. That is child abuse.

        Do you think that if all the rights that straight couples enjoy were given to gay couples, that they would keep protesting?

        Yes. By their own words, they want affirmation, not tolerance. They don’g think they’ll be happy until the church is silenced, and even then they’ll be miserable because they are living in rebellion to God.

        They want you to get out of their way, and live your own life, instead of trying to tell them how to live theirs.

        Big lie. Big, big, lie. I am glad for them to live their own lives. They are the ones trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us. They want to poison the minds of 4 year olds. They want to silence the church. That does not line up with your sound bites about them just wanting to be at home together (which no one is trying to prevent).

        No harm will come out of giving homosexuals the right to marry

        I have demonstrated above two examples of harm to society, yet you ignore those and go to your sound bite machine.

        They are already going to live together, and they are already going to sleep together – you can’t take that away from them, much as you would like to.

        Ryan, you normally don’t come here with so many outright lies. Please reflect on what you’ve written and take a fresh start on another post. You are just making things up and throwing them in a comment. They prove nothing and are not true.

        If they need my affirmation of their sinful behavior to be happy then they will never be happy. I don’t want or need people to affirm my sins, and I would not do that to anyone else.

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      8. Neil, I know we disagree, but when I write down my opinion for you, please don’t call me a liar. Most of what I’ve said has to do with the motives of gay and lesbian people in their fight for equal rights. I’ve heard the opinions from many of my friends who are gay, and this is their general consensus. It’s not a lie.

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      9. Hi Ryan,

        If that is their general concensus then it is true that it is their opinion. I’m just saying that their opinions do not correspond to reality, and, in my experience, are word games they use to demonize people rather than address the real issues. My apologies if that came across as calling you a liar.

        More importantly, my apologies for being a jerk in my latest replies. I really shouldn’t BWT (Blog While Tired). That isn’t an excuse, just an explanation.

        Peace, Neil

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      10. Speaking of legislation and your statement that homosexuals arent trying to impact my life, how about all the recent legislation allowing men, who actually beleive they are women, to use female public restrooms….this being pushed by the homosexual activists groups.

        So my 6 year old daughter walks into a public restroom and there is an adult man in there??? How in the world isnt that an intrusion on my life?

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      11. You know what Bret, I agree with you on that. I don’t know what the solution is, but I’d be upset as well. Just because I’m in favour of same-sex rights and marriage, doesn’t mean I agree with everything certain groups say.

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      12. Ryan,

        I what you say is true, “They want to get married, and then go home and be a family just like you and me.”, “They want you to get out of their way, and live your own life,”, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion. The problem is not what happens in the home, it’s what happens in the courts, schools, and society.

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      13. Should the world come to believe as you do regarding homosexuality, I have no doubt that the world will be looking for ways to mend the harm that will surely come by the change, but do so without admitting the source of the harm. The snowball will swell.

        Marshall, what is the harm that will surely come? An earthquake, maybe a flood here and there? Will gays be the specific targets of the almighty smiting, or are the rest of us in for it too?

        Ryan, I forgot to mention on previous comment, I don’t think anyone who comments here actually wants gay people to be unhappy. I think they believe that gay people ARE intrinsically unhappy, and wish they would go away, cheer-up and shut-up. But they can’t let them get married, because that will irritate God.

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      14. C’mon, Michael, that isn’t up to your usual standard. Seriously, you know we believe that God is (more than) “irritated” by all sins, not just those of homosexuals. The homosexual lobby brought this up and we are responding. It is a cheap trick to act like we just decided to bully them.

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      15. Ryan, it isn’t just about bringing them closer to Jesus, it is about protecting others. Loving your neighbors means loving all your neighbors.

        And you miss the point about who is forcing what on whom.

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  4. Neil,

    This is a great blog post that deals with the “nature vs. nurture debate”, and how the response from the homosexual activists is “Shut your mouth.”

    http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2009/06/not-nature-not-nurture-what-is-it.html

    I’ve always thought it would be interesting if a large pro-life group picked a life-friendly state and tried to push through an abortion ban based on sexual orientation of the child.

    The liberal movement would implode.

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  5. On the topic of liberalism, if you haven’t read “Christianity and Liberalism”, you might find it eye opening.

    The basic conclusion is that liberalism is a different religion from Christianity, in that it believes fundamentally different things. It simply uses the same vocabulary (but in radically different ways).

    I’ve found the book to be absolutely essential in recent years, giving me the vocabulary and the ability to express clearly the concepts of what liberalism attempts to do, providing great success on the apologetic front too.

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    1. Thanks for the link. Apologetics.com did a Podcast on that a couple months back. Wow, that guy was ahead of his time. His writing is dead on for 2009 but it is about 100 years old.

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      1. Just finished listening to the Podcast you mentioned (http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=300:christianity-and-liberalism-can-both-survive&catid=43:kkla-995-fm-los-angeles&Itemid=74)

        Excellent summary of the book and placing it in our modern context.

        You might really enjoy GK Chesterton, whose books “Orthodoxy” and “The Everlasting Man” serve not only as a triumph of Christian Apologetics and Christian Wit, but also as a broadside against the theological liberal movement and the naturalism atheist movement in England during the same era.

        Chesterton is almost eerie for the same reason Machen is, because they both carry out the intellectual movements of their time out to their logical (absurd) conclusions… which are now all around us.

        Needless to say… there are those of us in the Catholic Church that really miss the Anti-Modernism Oath. (http://www.franciscan-archive.org/bullarium/oath.html)

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      2. Hi Luke — thanks for the suggestions. I tried reading Orthodoxy but it was one of the few books I just couldn’t finish. He made C.S. Lewis seem easy. I know he made some great points based on what I did read.

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    1. I always thought the Scandinavian countries are the worst when it comes to countries lacking any sense of morality. Seems like they have no intention of convincing me otherwise, at the rate they going!!

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    2. Yes, I was sad to see that, as I am with all pro-abortion policies. You’d think the “feminists” would wake up one day and realize that abortion is the ultimate misogyny. Explicitly stating that gender selection abortions are legal, and knowing that virtually all of them kill female human beings just because they are female, is the clearest example of that.

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  6. Free abortions to honor George Tiller????

    I just have one word. Disgusting. They may be killing innocent children ’cause they cannot defend themselves, but hey, you guys are not fooling God. I really want to know how these guys would ever hide themselves from God’s wrath!!!

    And about homosexuality, India which is generally a conservative country where homosexuality is considered a criminal offense, is now considering changing the law. But then ‘considering changing law’ in India means it would eons before they actually make any change.

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