(Audio) Biden: ‘WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO KEEP FROM GOING BANKRUPT’ : Stop The ACLU.
“And folks look, AARP knows and the people with me here today know, the president knows, and I know, that the status quo is simply not acceptable,” Biden said at the event on Thursday in Alexandria, Va. “It’s totally unacceptable. And it’s completely unsustainable. Even if we wanted to keep it the way we have it now. It can’t do it financially.”
“We’re going to go bankrupt as a nation,” Biden said.
“Now, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about, Joe? You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?’” Biden said. “The answer is yes, that’s what I’m telling you.”
The MSM and the ill-informed people who think we should “celebrate” Joe Biden’s Vice-Presidency should never stop apologizing to Sarah Palin. Whatever she is, she is way better than Obama and/or Biden. Whether it is their un-Constitutional economic efforts, their radical pro-abortion policies, their idiotic spending, their general corruption, etc., they are the worst.
It is hard to imagine Biden saying something more stupid than he already has, yet here we are.
Eternity Matters 
As I was just telling the Queen of Swords, I often wonder how Joe Biden became the Vice President of the United States. No, seriously, I wonder, and I don’t understand.
How did this happen? I was paying a lot of attention in 2008, but I really think I missed the chain of logic that lead to this character inhabiting the office recently vacated by Dick Cheney.
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If Sarah Palin made ANY of the gaffes Joe made, had plagiarized, or had been caught up in ANY of the things he has been caught up in, she would have been absolutely DOA. It would have been non stop wall-to-wall media coverage of Sarah’s gaffes.
The fact that Joe Biden, of all people, has become vice-President is simply stupifying.
It’s worse than Caligula making his horse a senator. At least the horse couldn’t become Emperor if the top caught the plague.
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Hey, the answer is that Biden has some foreign policy experience and so they picked him to fill a need. He is also slightly more moderate than Obama.
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I agree with you that the nation owes Palin, and right off the top of my head we might as well throw Dan Quayle in there too, a ground kissing apology. I won’t be holding my breath though. Such spectacular bold faced and unashamed hypocrisy is indeed a sight to behold.
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Whoa! you go too far!
No one is as dumb as Dan Quayle
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Unfortunately, this logic is pervasive. We have a credit melt-down, we need to spend more money. Consumers are over their heads in debt, we need to spend more. The problem with the Bush stimulus was people saved the money instead of spending it. We have people not paying their mortgage, they need to refinance.
Even with all this counter-intuitive logic, politicians keep saying the same thing and eventually, people believe it. Bottom line is, you have to pay attention to the bottom line.
Dan, thanks for reminding us of Quayle. I’ve long been a fan of his. The “Murphy Brown” speech that everyone ridiculed was the perfect anti-politician event. After they read the speech and learned what he really said, they all agreed with him. Oh, but then in today’s politics, we don’t have time to read anything, we’re just supposed to sign up.
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@Neil:
You wrote: “never stop apologizing to Sarah Palin. Whatever she is, she is way better than Obama and/or Biden”
Oh come on. Sarah Palin is an idiot. Sure, Biden might be a tool, but no way no how should Palin ever had been the VP candidate for the GOP. That is the main reason why McCain LOST.
The fact that the GOP is still putting her in the limelight and acting as if this dunce could be president is laughable.
Yo Betcha, if the GOP doesn’t find a REAL candidate, Barack gets 4 more years easy.
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What, precisely, makes her an idiot?
Why, precisely, should she not have been the VP candidate?
As for McCain’s loss… his campaign being one of the worst run campaigns in modern history has a lot more to do with his loss than Palin. Palin drew larger crowds than McCain on a regular basis.
It seems, friend, that logic and reason aren’t your strong points.
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Oh, come on! Seriously?
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Yes. Seriously.
All we hear are generalities that amount to “She’s not a liberal so I hate her, hey let’s blame BushyMcChimpHitler for everything!”
How, precisely, is she an idiot?
Why, precisely, should she not have been the VP candidate?
When any person lays out actual criteria, it becomes clear that any criticism applied to her equally applies to Obama.
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What makes her an idiot?
Allowing the GOP to make a complete fool out of her during the campaign and not allowing people to see who she really is!
I wish I could agree with you Neil, but she sold out to the highest bidder! I took to time to read about her and what her constituents say about her and I was impressed.
Too bad we still haven’t seen her. The chic I read about could run circles around Hillary.
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Yes.. you should actually substantiate yourself (or the person with whom you agree).
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The reason her nomination helped McCain’s campaign at first was for a few reasons.
1) She is an evangelical Christian, and many Christians were not fully satisfied with McCain’s policies.
2) She is a woman. There are a ton of people that think it is time a female got a chance to be on the presidential tick. I tend to agree.
3) She’s youthful and pretty, and I don’t mean that in a sexist way. She has a pleasant look about her, and she looks healthy and willing to take on a challenge. Obama got votes for the same reason. Don’t even try to tell me it makes no difference. Unfortunately it does. Just take a look at all the right wing blog posts about how ugly Michelle Obama is, and she’s not even a politician.
4) She’s a regular person. People in rural America can relate to her. Politicians try to pretend all the time that they are “a regular Joe”. Sarah had this from the start.
5) She’s likes guns.
6) Trig. People, including myself, have a great respect for parents who are proud of their kids, no matter what their abilities.
Much of this support went away the minute she started doing interviews. I don’t care if the interviewers were trying to make her look bad, a politician needs to be able to handle that. If for no other reason than the fact that she could not handle herself in those interviews, she should not be vice president.
McCain had moved himself towards the middle, and this gained votes, but also lost votes on the far right. Palin helped to get those far right votes back, but alienated the middle.
If she was an atheist, and on the Democratic ticket, but otherwise the same person with the same life and professional experience, the attacks from the right might summon the apocalypse, and you know it. Stop pretending she was qualified.
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You started off well enough . . . but as always, to say she was unqualified it to say it double for Obama / Biden. If you like Obama’s pro-abortion, pro-socialist, anti-Constitution, etc. policies then he’s your guy. But the “Palin was unqualified” bit is laughable as long as someone is pretending that Obama and/or Biden were qualified.
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I’ve made no comments about the qualifications of Obama or Biden. I’m talking about Palin, and I think you know I’m right.
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Not at all. She was more qualified than them, by far.
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Unfortunately, you didn’t address the questions:
How, precisely, is she an idiot?
Why, precisely, should she not have been the VP candidate?
As for the idea of attacks on her from the right, I think you’re simply mistaken.
I, for one, stand with the New York Times:
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/what-did-the-new-york-times-say-about-geraldine-ferraro-in-1984-when-she-was-a-young-member-of-congress-with-three-kids/
They supported Geraldine Ferraro as a vice presidential candidate and had no qualms about her qualifications, which were significantly less than Governor Palin’s.
So far your reasoning seems to be
1) She’s female and conservative so she’s bad
and
2) Pro-Obama media made her look bad, while making Obama look good.
Those are hardly substantial.
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Um, note to Ryan: right-wingers mock Michelle because your side keeps telling us what a beauty queen she is. I, for one, would be utterly content to ignore her looks – as I ignore Hillary’s, Sotomayor’s, Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s, Selebius’s….
Would love to ignore her looks, since they aren’t relevant to anything, but, when y’all start talking about how hot and stylish Michelle Obama is, I can’t help but comment that she looks like a horse who got dressed when the sale rack at Dress Barn vomited up its wares onto her back.
The only way that one ever really becomes qualified to be President is by doing the job well, or, maybe, by being a very active VP. Since no one fitting that description was on either ticket this time around, it’s all relative.
So the question becomes: relative to Obama, Biden, John Edwards, Jack Kemp, Geraldine Ferraro, Dan Quayle, George W. Bush, and the like – how does Palin stack up?
Undeniably, she’s in the league for VP.
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Well, with people like that in your list, it’s hard to argue with you. A truly sad state of affairs. Perhaps the bar should be raised just a bit.
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I’d like to turn things around a bit Ryan.
If Sarah Palin had made any of the gaffes Obama or Biden had made, or had said/done any of the things Biden has done through the years, would she ever have had a chance?
If Sarah Palin had been caught plagiarizing?
If Sarah Palin had said Alaska schools were better than DC schools because there were fewer blacks?
The media double standard is sickening, but it’s clear who the media has bet the farm on.
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This list could get long . . . Can you imagine what the election results would have been if the candidates had consistently been introduced this way, instead of the Big 3 running 18-1 negative against Palin?
Joe Biden, who dropped out of the 1988 Presidential campaign because he was caught plagiarizing . . .
Barack Obama, who has less experience than Governor Sarah Palin . . .
John McCain, who is well known for real reform and has a record of working with Democrats . . .
Sarah Palin, the most popular Governor in America . . .
Governor Sarah Palin, who has accomplished real reform and successfully fought corruption in her own party . . .
Governor Sarah Palin, who knows more about energy issues than all the other candidates . . .
Governor Sarah Palin, who has more executive experience than Barack Obama . . .
Governor Sarah Palin, who successfully governs a larger and more complicated state than Bill Clinton did . . .
Barack Obama, who was the lone vote against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in Illinois . . .
Plus Luke’s list plus a whole lot more.
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I admit that Joe Biden phrased things a little strangely some times, but it was quite obvious what he was trying to say. Schools in areas where the minority population is high are affected by the demographics that often come with high minority populations, like poverty and language issues.
As for plagiarism, I assume you mean Obama’s speech. Whatever – he apologized immediately, and admitted to sharing ideas. I wouldn’t blame any candidate who needs to give 2-3 speeches a day during a campaign to borrow ideas once in a while. Palin didn’t have this problem, since she didn’t write her speeches.
As much as Biden has trouble saying the right thing all the time, he made Palin look ridiculous in the debate. She would be asked a direct question, and use up her time saying something totally unrelated. It was almost as if she had certain things memorized, since she would not have been able to figure out what to say herself.
I really don’t want to talk about these people anymore, so you may have the last word.
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I am referencing Biden being a cheater in law school.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/joe_bidens_plagiarism_problem.html
(Not a huge fan of American Thinker, but it’s the first thing that comes up when you google Joe Biden Plagiarism)
Joe Biden has, on multiple occasions, told stories about his life that are simply false, that are taken directly from other people and facts demonstrate are untrue.
What If Cheney had done that?
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@LCB:
“What, precisely, makes her an idiot?”
This statement alone shows me that people only see what they WANT to SEE. Michael Jackson (RIP) and the people that were around him got nuthin on you Palin sychophants who won’t tell the emperor (or emperess) they have no clothes.
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If her idiocy is so obvious, it shouldn’t be too difficult to provide examples then, right?
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Aquila non capit muscam. Or more plainly, I have danced this dance a thousand times, and I generally avoid exercises in futility. If you want to believe Palin is a rocket science, more power to you, nothing I have seen from her or read about her suggest anything but a pretty face with that good ole’ down home “everyman” speak (which somehow means she is less an elitist than any other rich politician to people easily moved by the “you bethca” verbiage).
It is an insult to people’s intelligence or testimony to the lack of basic observation skills of the American people and in particular the republican base that you all seem to believe this lady would be a good president and think people should buy that drivil.
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The Eagle does not hunt flies?
Doesn’t really fit here. Simply explain to me why she is an idiot. I’m sure if this is true it can easily be done by listing a few facts.
The one who is “believing what they want to believe” is you until you list facts.
Surely you believe in belonging to the reality based community?
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The Eagle does not hunt flies. Egads man, it is an idiom, sort of like saying in English “Chickens come home to roost” which really isn’t talking about CHICKENS.
The phrase means in this context “A noble or important person doesn’t deal with insignificant issues.” and to me Sarah Palin is about as inisgnifcant as it gets.
I’m not listing any facts, because I don’t care to debate the issue with people who are willfully ignorant.
You want to believe she’s einstein, feel free, I feel no need to intrude on your delusion.
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You write, “You want to believe she’s einstein”
No, I simply am asserting that she is not an idiot.
You write, “I’m not listing any facts, because I don’t care to debate the issue with people who are willfully ignorant.”
How can you call me willfully ignorant in this context?
I am asking you to provide facts precisely so that I can change my opinion if I am wrong.
You write, “I feel no need to intrude on your delusion”
Calling people delusional when they ask you to provide facts ia bit odd.
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@LCB:
Again, I could list WHY I think she is an idiot, you would then ignore or list why you DON’T think she is an idiot. Basically, I think it is a foregone conclusion that nothing I say will cahnge your opinion and nothing you say will cahnge mine. I think that the fact you ask for facts to support my assertion shows that there is no hope, as my assertion should be OBVIOUS to anyone who paid any attention to the campaign.
So, I am fine agreeing to disagree.
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Um, DJ Black Adam,
Care to substantiate yourself? This isn’t my blog, so I won’t call your statements “lies,” but I’m failing to see any grain of truth in them.
First of all: the only time McCain ever polled ahead of Obama was… drumroll.. AFTER he picked Gov. Palin as his VP. His speeches were drawing crowds of 6,000 or so people before that; after the pick, she was getting quadruple (or more) people out. His numbers surged. The base rallied. Sites like thankstopalin.com (i.e. “Thanks to Sarah Palin, we can get excited about the Republican ticket”) came into being.
You cannot infer from the fact that McCain lost that it was because of Gov. Palin. Reality is that he would have lost without her — just by a MUCH bigger margin. Look at the year-long polling data if you don’t believe me.
She’s not an idiot. Now, I’m sure you’re one of those people who thinks that Gov. Palin said that she can see Russia from her house, but, oddly enough, Tina Fey made up that little canard. If you happen to think that (or other lies about Gov. Palin), that doesn’t make her a dunce – it just makes you gullible.
(For the record, Gov. Palin had said that she had more foreign policy experience than most governors – and, by the way, everyone thought that Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, George HW Bush, and Ronald Reagan all had enough foreign policy experience! – because of Alaska’s proximity to Russia. Since the state and the country are divided by a mere three miles at their closest point, and since Russia had once posed a serious threat to US security, her state is on the front lines of US defence. As governor, she actually had a higher level security clearance than did Senator Obama, whose foreign policy experience consisted of attending a rock concert in Germany. But yeah, she’s an idiot. ::rolls eyes::)
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@theobromophile:
“Say what you say, but give me that bomb beat from Dre…” OR in OTHER NON HIP HOP WORDS: “Adversus solem ne loquitor”.
BTW, I don’t watch Saturday Night Live, haven’t sense Eddie Murphy and Joe Piscapo….
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Judging by the quotes you’re using, you have a terribly high opinion of yourself.
How honored I am, to be in the presence of Sol Invictus!
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That’s HIS IMPERIAL MAJESTY to you LCB 😉
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BTW LCB:
You wrote: “Judging by the quotes you’re using, you have a terribly high opinion of yourself.”
No, just a low opinion of Sarah Palin, she’s cute, and can shoot, that’s about it…
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For LCB and anyone else:
1. “As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border.” –Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska’s proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS’s Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)
2. “I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we’ve been charged with and automatically throw them out.” –Sarah Palin, referring to a department that does not exist while attempting to explain why as president she wouldn’t be subjected to the same ethics investigations that compelled her to resign as governor of Alaska, ABC News interview, July 7, 2009
3. “We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. … We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation.” –Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008
4. “Ohh, good, thank you, yes.” –Sarah Palin, after a notorious Canadian prank caller complimented her on the documentary about her life, Hustler’s “Nailin Paylin,” Nov. 1, 2008 (Read more about the prank call, watch the video and see the transcript)
5. “Well, let’s see. There’s ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―” –Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)
6. “All of ’em, any of ’em that have been in front of me over all these years.” –Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)
7. “They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan.” –Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008
8. “[T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.” –Sarah Palin, getting the vice president’s constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008 (Watch video clip)
9. “I told the Congress, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’ on that Bridge to Nowhere.” –Sarah Palin, who was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it
10. “I’m the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can’t.'” –Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor’s office without approval of the city council
From: http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palin-top-10.htm
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So media gaffes constitute being an idiot?
I’m simply trying to establish criteria so we can objectively apply this.
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Gaffs? The lady showes she ahs no concept of US let alone world History…..
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So then not having a proper concept of US/World history is the requirement?
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Having a clue would at least help
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So if a person is ignorant of basic facts they are an idiot?
That is your criteria?
And if I can present 10 instances of a different politician making similar gaffes, you would agree they are also an idiot?
Or are you appealing to some other non-statement based factor and criteria? Like gender? Or is it party affiliation?
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LOL DJ Black Adam you have been missed!
I have to say once you get past her ‘silliness’ and the fact she’s being led around by the nose….she’s not so bad.
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Let’s be honest here. Bush passed the first stimulus package. Obama has simply continued that policy. I don’t hear from any respected economist that government spending should not take place right now. Do you think the economic crisis was less severe than the Bush and Obama administrations believed? If so, why?
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Joanne: I’ve heard respected economists say that we should not be spending right now.
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Joanne
1) Is the Obama stimulus REALLY a continuation of the Bush stimulus in any fashion? The facts indicate otherwise.
2) Where are you getting your information from on respected economists views on these matters?
3) I think the crisis was made significantly worse by Obama’s inept handling of the situation. I’d be glad to detail this in specific ways if you would like.
4) I think it’s important to keep Rahm Emmanuel’s statement “Never let a crisis go to waste” in mind.
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Dan Quayle only needed a teleprompter.
As for Joe Biden, I am sure he was thinking of that old saying; “You have to spend money to waste money.”
or something like that.
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Bringing the discussion with Ryan out from the one-word column thing:
No questions that, perhaps, the bar should be raised. The issue is that people decided to raise the bar in August 2008, starting with exactly one candidate.
If we were to raise the bar in 2008, then it would exclude one-term Senator, 120 “present” votes Barack Obama and six-term-do-nothing Senator Joe Biden. Then we would be back to voting for McCain, even with the underqualified Palin.
So you still don’t justify a (D) vote by saying that Palin isn’t good enough. It implies that a) McCain, at the top of the ticket, doesn’t make up for her, and b) that the other side is better. (It is an inherently comparative analysis.)
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Well I do think, with respect, that you need to admit that most of your disdain for the Democratic ticket is due to your disdain of the left. In turn, I will admit that it scares the heck out of me to give the reins of a superpower to a person who not only believes that the end of the world is coming soon, but looks forward to it. I don’t that a person with this view can make policies that can affect future generations, since she believes there may not be future generations. No wonder she wants to drill for oil.
As for McCain making up for her, in my mind he almost does. I have a world of respect for John McCain, and I think he would have made a very good president. I wish he was nominated back in 2000. The fact is, the degradation of his health even during the campaign was very evident. I wish him all the best, but the man has a lot of health problems, and there would have been a real possibility that Palin could have received a promotion.
Sometimes the people that fit best in leadership roles climb the ladder quite quickly. I don;t think you can summarize a person’s qualifications as the amount of votes he participated in, or how many terms he has served. I like Obama. I’ve disagreed with him on several issues, and I’ve been downright outraged with him on others, but he has charisma, and has garnered respect worldwide that Bush absolutely destroyed. I think that was important this time around. As for Biden, I’ll admit, he’s a bit of a goof, but he is a well respected man, and has much more experience than you give him credit for.
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Read the international papers. Not at all true.
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In what countries did Bush destroy our international credibility?
In what countries has Obama rebuilt it?
Please be specific, listing them.
Facts are the enemy of liberalism.
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All of them except for Israel. Got any data to prove me wrong? Facts are the enemies of conservatives.
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Yes, I do have data to prove you wrong.
But seriously, list SPECIFIC countries that our credibility was destroyed in, so I can provide you with the data that clearly shows otherwise.
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Not to quibble, but I find it a stretch to call Obama a “one-term Senator.” He basically quit after two years of a six-year term to run for President, and he couldn’t pretend to claim that it was because he accomplished what he set out to (other than having Mr. Bipartisan vote with the radical Left virtually every time, including voting against Judge Alito and Roberts) or that he and his state were victims of endless frivolous lawsuits.
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Enough with the projection, Ryan. Admit that you’re anti-Palin because she has the audacity to not toe the feminist party line and we’ll be done with it.
Thing is, I do not say the same things about Hillary that I do about Biden and Obama, which probably has something to do with respecting her as a politician with whom I stridently disagree. (I also think that her winning the primary would have been the best result in 2008, but that’s a different story.)
The “disdain” I feel for Obama is the revolting nausea that I feel for Marxism, dressed up and in the White House. He is destroying the things which have made this country great. It’s not about leftist politicians; it’s about values that are contrary to my own.
Oh, yeah, and Sarah Palin hasn’t said those things you think she’s said.
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Um, these are politicians you’re talking about, right? They’re all idiots, it’s up to us to try and put the best idiot into power, and then constantly remind them that they are idiots who are only there because we allowed them to be. That’s what makes democracy such fun.
John McCain and Sarah Palin are idiots who failed to convince the American people that they could do the job, now you have to put up with the other idiots for at least four years, before more idiots get to fight it out again.
As far as being qualified is concerned, who is really qualified for such a job? Sarah Palin certainly didn’t give the impression of being able to deal with the pressure of the position, but what do we have to compare her to? Ronald “who me” Reagan, Bill “I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton, and George “let’s smoke em out” Bush. For all we know she would have been brilliant.
Neil, your comment that certain people should “never stop apologising” to Sarah Palin is strange, to say the least. This is politics, and she allowed herself to be put in the front line. I’m very cynical about these things, perhaps, but she’s clearly not just the hockey mom who had the dirty done on her. To play the “poor well-meaning Christian mom who got done by the horrible liberal media” card is all very well, but if she was really up for it, she wouldn’t need or have needed anyone to defend her honour, she could have done it herself.
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