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NALT (“Not All Like That”) Christians = Not Christians

John Shore is a false teacher who has started a group perpetuating the false dichotomy that everyone claiming the name of Christ is in one of the following categories:

  1. Aligned with their pro-gay theology, where homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism, etc. are gifts from God and it is sinful to say otherwise.
  2. Someone like Democrat Fred “God hates fags” Phelps and his Westboro “church”

That is transparently ridiculous, of course.  There are countless Christians who believe the Bible and agree with God’s views yet can still reach out to gays with truth and love.  The message is simple: We don’t have to make people straight before sharing the Good News with them.  You can tell them that even if homosexual behavior wasn’t a sin they would all have plenty of other sins for which they need forgiveness, just like straight people.  But if you really love them then you won’t lie about God’s truths and you won’t affirm them in physically, emotionally and spiritually destructive behavior.

Here is more about the NALT group:

(Notalllikethat.org) – The purpose of the NALT Christians Project is to give LGBT-affirming Christians a means of proclaiming to the world—and especially to young gay people—their belief and conviction that there is nothing anti-biblical or at all inherently sinful about being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.

It is a train wreck of bad theology, and to make things worse they “especially” target to young people.  Something about millstones comes to mind.

The Bible couldn’t be more clear.  Bible-believing Christians and even two out of the three types of pro-gay people* (religious or not) can see these truths:

  • 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior describe it as sin in the clearest and strongest possible terms.
  • 100% of the verses referring to God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.
  • 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).planned
  • 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions of any kind.

The more you read about this group the creepier it gets.  When John Shore plugs himself on Amazon, his top three quotes reveal what he is all about.

One is from Rob Bell, a false teacher.  I can see why Shore would use him given Bell’s popularity, but Bell is still awful.

Then there is Shelby Spong, the fake Christian who always wears a clerical collar so people don’t confuse him with the head of the National Atheist Association.  That’s how anti-biblical he is.

But the first reference Shore uses in every site I’ve seen is from Dan Savage, an on-the-record Christ-hating atheist bully, the guy who coined the phrase “Santorum” to describe a disgusting by-product of gay sex**.

Dan Savage (“Savage Love”; It Gets Better) calls John Shore “America’s preeminent non-douchey Christian.” Rob Bell (“Love Wins”) has declared Mr. Shore “awesome,” and “a brilliant writer.” “John Shore is a gadfly,” wrote famed theologian John Shelby Spong, “calling the Christian Church everywhere to act the way it says it believes about love and justice, which of course makes him an uncomfortable presence in those churches that do not like to be forced to face reality. So were the prophets of old. So was Jesus of Nazareth.”

If Dan Savage likes your theology then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.  That would be something to be ashamed of, not to be used as your top reference.

Not surprisingly, Spong compared Shore to the prophets and Jesus.  But Jesus and the prophets were wildly unpopular with the world, while Shore is loved by the world and those who hate God and his word.

I can’t think of a single person who pushes pro-gay theology that isn’t off the rails on the essentials of the faith.  Peel back the layers and you’ll find that if they are pro-gay then they deny most or all of the following: Jesus’ divinity, Jesus’ exclusivity for salvation, the authority of scripture, etc.  They pretend to like the Bible while undermining it at every turn.

My favorite tactic with them is to point out how the Bible teaches over 100 times that Jesus is the only way to salvation, so of course it is a view that every Christian must hold.  Then I ask if they agree with it.  Of course, they don’t.  That helps expose them for what they are.

You can comment on Shore’s NALT project here.  Here is another good response to these frauds.  

Run, don’t walk, from people who claim to follow Jesus yet talk like Shore, Bell and Spong. It is beyond parody that a Christian would consider an endorsement from Dan Savage to be a good thing.  The only thing worse would be an endorsement from Satan himself. 
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* The three general types of pro-gay theology people: 1. “The Bible says homosexuality is wrong but it isn’t the word of God” (obviously non-Christians) 2. “The Bible says it is wrong but God changed his mind and is only telling theological Liberals” (only about 10 things wrong with that) 3. “The Bible is the word of God but you are just misunderstanding it” (Uh, no, not really.)

** In a spectacular irony, Savage infamously led to the coining of the term “Santorum” to describe the disgusting byproducts of a gay sex act: “the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.”

He was trying to get back at former Senator Santorum for labeling homosexual acts as sinful, but Savage didn’t realize the net result of his name-calling.  After all, it is Savage’s disgusting byproduct that is the problem. Assigning someone else’s name to your filthy output doesn’t demean them, it demeans you.  What self-mockery!

Spong is wrong, part #17

From Stand to Reason Blog: God Is a Person, We Are Persons — “Bishop” Shelby Spong, who denies virtually every important doctrine of Christianity while parading around in his collar to peddle his books, had this to say about knowing things about God:

I am not sure that the problem is that people throw around words [about God] so carelessly, but that the only words we humans have to use are human words, bound by time, space and human experience. Whatever God is, God is surely beyond the boundaries of human life. So the more specific we are about God, the less accurate we probably are. Let me repeat my favorite analogy. Horses cannot escape the boundaries of what it means to be a horse, nor can a horse view life from any other lens or perspective save that of a horse. Therefore a horse could never describe what it means to be human. In a similar manner, a human being cannot escape the boundaries or perspective of what it means to be human and therefore can never define or describe what it means to be God.

In addition to the critique noted at the blog, Spong also misses something rather obvious: If God wanted us to be able to know about him, then we would be able to know about him.  Who set the boundaries?  God himself.  Is that really so complicated?

Spong is wrong, again. He and those who voice that objection are just displaying false humility. They sure write and talk a lot about God for people who claim we can’t know enough about him.  People who make silly claims like his should be ignored.  Why would you pay to read books by someone whose main point is that he doesn’t know what he is talking about?

If anyone at your church or elsewhere recommends Spong to you, do not listen to them.  Have them watch this video for starters (Hat tip: JD):

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Now here is a good use of taxpayer funds (seriously, we need more humor like this):

Hat tip: Biblical Christianity

That is almost as good as this old favorite:

Abortionist distraught over killing wrong twin — He would have been fine if he had done it “right” and killed the child with Down Syndrome.  Such moral schizophrenia.

From the “I am not making this up category” comes unisex restrooms for public schools.

Transgender students must be allowed access to the bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity or expression or, if they prefer, to existing single-stall bathrooms.

Christian “music star” now lesbian — I might have put the quotes around Christian instead of music star, but whatever.  Sadly, she trotted out the lame shellfish argument, which is full of holes but is appealing to many because so few bother to study the passages. I address five serious problems with it in flaws of the shellfish argument.  I am so tired of the deliberate ignorance people use to distort Christianity and teach whatever they like.  It isn’t that hard to study the Bible.

She wants to dismiss Leviticus 18:22 (You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination), so does that mean the verses before and after are outdated as well? (“You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. . . .  And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.)

Obama’s back-alley healthcare — not enough doctors, forcing un-qualified people to administer care, etc.

Why would any church have Shelby Spong speak there, let alone “preach?”  Sadly, a United Methodist church is having him do just that.

A controversial bishop who denies belief in a personal deity will speak at a Madison church on Sunday. Retired Episcopal Church Bishop John Shelby Spong will lecture on the divinity of Christ at First United Methodist Church.

Spong, who has denied the deity of Christ as well as his bodily resurrection and virgin birth, plans to give two lectures on April 10th, as well as preach on April 11th. His views contradict the teachings of the United Methodist Church and of all traditional churches.

Bishop Spong’s former diocese in the northern half of New Jersey shrunk by 40 percent under his helm, a pattern of decline typical of ultra liberal churches.

What do you call an organization that brings in someone to speak on the divinity of Christ who doesn’t believe in the divinity of Christ?!  Non-Christian.

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Barack Obama’s Vulnerabilities Will Get Us All Killed

George Bush never tried to disown 9/11 or Richard Reid. He never tried to say, “hey, it was Clinton’s problem.” Sure, in fact, a lot of what led to 9/11 happened on Bill Clinton’s watch and he failed in most every measure to shut down Al Qaeda.

“His White House recognised its political vulnerability more readily than it comprehended the level of danger faced by Americans.”

. . . And the strategy of blaming Bush for being weak on terror will not work after eight years of blaming Bush for being too bloodthirsty.

Two Americas: One Struggling, One Happy, Unionized, and in Government 

Unions should be outlawed for government workers. Period.

Spong is still wrong — “Bishop” John Shelby Spong says he won’t debate whether homosexuality is a sin anymore.  If he would take off the collar and stop parading as a Bishop and a Christian I’d just write him off as another uninformed non-believer.  As it is, he is a hypocrite and a fake.  And not much of a clear thinker, either.  Gee, a public declaration not to debate the issue you brought up.  How brave.  Just claim victory, demonize your opponents with the silly homophobe label and move on.  Pathetic. 

Spong is what happens when denominations don’t exercise church discipline.  He should have been booted out years ago, or perhaps never ordained.  Christianity is not his forte’. 

Mark Tooley at the IRD (Institute of Religion and Democracy) had a great re-cap of the shenanigans of the Religious Left at the Copenhagen climate summit.  These people draw the wrong conclusions from the wrong facts. 

The Global Warming cause opportunistically allows the Religious Left to collapse all its favored causes into one issue: hostility to free markets and economic growth; cravings for wealth redistribution; Western guilt; veneration for the earth at the expense of humanity; and aspirations for global governance. And despite Religious Left claims about concern for the poor, shutting down or restricting the global economy would hurt the very poor the most. Draconian carbon reductions would keep poor people poor, and the rest of us stagnant, less able to help others in need. What’s compassionate about that?

Brit Hume was right.  Tiger needs Jesus more than he needs anything else.