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Matthew Vines, “Christian” Left wolf

Matthew Vines is just another wolf who appeals to low-information people who deeply desire to conform to the world and who know little about the Bible. He and his movement try to infiltrate and/or bully real churches. Please share this free booklet by Al Mohler with anyone spouting his nonsense.  It is thorough yet easy to follow.  Samples:
When he begins his book, Vines argues that experience should not drive our interpretation of the Bible. But it is his experience of what he calls a gay sexual orientation that drives every word of this book. It is this experiential issue that drives him to relativize text after text and to argue that the Bible really doesn’t speak directly to his sexual identity at all, since the inspired human authors of Scripture were ignorant of the modern gay experience. Of what else were they ignorant? Vines
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But we have to give Vines credit for seeing this wedge issue better than most egalitarians have seen it. He knows 21 R. ALBERT MOHLER JR. that the denial of gender complementarity is a huge step toward denying sexual complementarity. The evangelicals who have committed themselves to an egalitarian understanding of gender roles as revealed in the Bible are those who are most vulnerable to his argument. In effect, they must resist his argument more by force of will than by force of logic.
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Finally, the actual language of Romans 1, specifically dealing with male same-sex desire, speaks of “men consumed with passion for one another” (Romans 1:27). This directly contradicts Vines’s claim that only oppressive, pederastic or socially mixed same-sex acts are condemned. Paul describes men consumed with passion for one another — not merely the abuse of the powerless by the powerful. In other words, in Romans 1:26-27 Paul condemns same-sex acts by both men and women, and he condemns the sexual desires described as unnatural passions as well.
Vines personally responded to comments I made on a Facebook post about an article he posted. As he requested, I specifically dealt with what he wrote in that piece. But he had no responses other than, “Have you read my book? It doesn’t sound like it.”
My response to him: Hi Matthew, I read your link and responded to it, quoting you directly. That is amusing that your only response was to plug your book and pretend that you gave a legitimate response to my point-by-point refutation of your link. I read plenty of “Christian” Left heresies online for free, thanks, so I don’t plan on paying for it.Thanks for the concession speech :-).
As a bonus, one of Vines’ self-proclaimed Christian supporters insisted that Jesus had gay sex with the apostle John. She also just married an atheist. And so on. This is the “Christian” Left.
Do not be taken in by these lies.
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Christians should be grateful to the “Christian” Left for one thing

The “Christian” Left has been explicitly non-Christian for a long time, simply by expressing their theology that is the opposite of biblical Christianity.  But by their persistence in mocking God on all manners of human sexuality over the last decade via their aggressive cheer-leading for the LGBTQX agenda in every way imaginable, they have set up real Christians to be “outed” as followers of the one true God.  Before that, most secular people would have lumped us in with the fakes, but now it is clear that we are wildly different.  And that’s ultimately good, because you have the opportunity to be mocked and vilified for trusting that what Jesus said was true.  You can be confident that you really believe, otherwise you’d run to the “Christian” Left where it is safe and worldly*.

The world will see the difference, and we can explain why we believe what we do.  And in doing so we can tell them why we have even larger disagreements with the “Christian” Left, namely that we believe Jesus is divine and the only way to salvation and that the Bible is the word of God.  The world will still hate that message, but it always gives glory to God to repeat the truth of what Jesus did for us on the cross.  And by the grace of God, some may come to believe through that.

Now our persecution isn’t anything like that endured by the martyrs in Muslim countries and such, but it is going to get worse here.  Just look at the “news” that a Christian organization doesn’t want LGBTQX proponents working for them: Evangelical campus ministry group asks pro-gay staff to quit  (Alternate title: Christian organization insists that employees be Christians).  People are going bananas over what should be a “water is wet” story.

They also want to ensure that any Christian colleges that actually believe the Bible are shunned such that no business would even recruit from them.  Make no mistake, just as the blinded men of Sodom persisted in groping for the door, the LGBTQX activists will never give up.  Consider how they’ve bullied parents into letting public schools tell their 5 yr. olds that they may not be their real gender!

So for good or bad, remember that the persecution you get for being an authentic believer has been brought to you by Satan’s cabana boys (and girls) from the “Christian” Left.  We shouldn’t wish for persecution, but given that it exists you can trust that it is for God’s glory and endure it with hope.


*Churchgoers who support “same-sex marriage”  — i.e., the “Christian” Left — have nearly identical views to the world on a host of issues such as abortion, adultery, porn, etc..  It shows who their real father is.

Remember that the men of Sodom persisted even after being blinded

If you were in the middle of doing something and were literally blinded, do you think you just might at least pause for a moment?  Not so for the men of Sodom.  They were too busy trying to fulfill their homosexual lusts:

Genesis 19:11 And they struck with blindness the men who were at the entrance of the house, both small and great, so that they wore themselves out groping for the door.

They were blinded but didn’t stop.  They “wore themselves out groping for the door.”  That’s commitment!

So don’t be surprised when today’s LGBTQX lobbyists — which include the “Christian” Left as committed members — don’t ever give up.  Make no mistake: Even the “thought crime” of thinking that males shouldn’t be able to shower with females is too much for these perverts.

Here’s a recent example: Gay rights fascists bully man who donated against transgender agenda.  All he did was donate to a campaign for bathroom privacy and the 2016 version of the blinded men of Sodom had to destroy him.  They cannot tolerate any dissent.

Remember when they lied and said that government recognition of same-sex unions wouldn’t impact you?  Yeah, me too.

Do you have an opinion on whether men should be allowed to go into women’s showers and women’s change rooms? If you do, and you either speak it under your own name, or make a donation under your own name, then you should expect the gay activists to go after you and stop you from working. They’ve done it before with florists, bakers, photographers, bed and breakfast owners, and now even a chef.

Remember that the “Christian” Left will be back shortly to tell you how the Bible “really” says that incest, pedophilia, bestiality and more OK and that you’ve just been misunderstanding things.  They are indistinguishable from the world and its god and are enemies of the real God..

1 John 2:15-16 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

James 4:4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

This would be a good time for you to decide if you are really committed to this Christianity thing.  If not, get out now.  Because the men (and women) of Sodom are as persistent as ever.

Still not “born that way”

The Leftists — including the “Christian” Leftist — are busy trying to discredit and/or ignore this important study about sexuality, but they can lie all the like and it won’t change the truth.  Please be sure to remind them how anti-science they are.  This is only news in the sense that the study is recent.  Many of us have known all along that the “born that way” portion of the LGBTQX agenda was not only self-refuting (uh, wouldn’t that discredit “trans” people who were obviously born with the genetics they are trying to deny?!) but thoroughly false.  But this lie is so valuable to Leftists because it is their ultimate Trojan Horse.  With it they get to sneak in and pervert every element of society, including schools and families.

Via Scientific Take on Sexuality and Gender:

The thought police aren’t going to like this. A major report has come out on sexuality and gender, in which two highly accomplished scientists lay waste to the leftist dogma underlying the current homosexual/transsexual cultural Marxist blitzkrieg. A few highlights from the Executive Summary:

● The understanding of sexual orientation as an innate, biologically fixed property of human beings — the idea that people are “born that way” — is not supported by scientific evidence.

● Longitudinal studies of adolescents suggest that sexual orientation may be quite fluid over the life course for some people, with one study estimating that as many as 80% of male adolescents who report same-sex attractions no longer do so as adults.

● Compared to heterosexuals, non-heterosexuals are about two to three times as likely to have experienced childhood sexual abuse.

● Compared to the general population, non-heterosexual subpopulations are at an elevated risk for a variety of adverse health and mental health outcomes.

● Members of the transgender population are also at higher risk of a variety of mental health problems compared to members of the non-transgender population.

● The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex — that a person might be “a man trapped in a woman’s body” or “a woman trapped in a man’s body” — is not supported by scientific evidence.

● Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes.

● Only a minority of children who experience cross-gender identification will continue to do so into adolescence or adulthood.

Every one of those bullets makes a huge statement.  And note how much more often those wrestling with perversions have been abused.  Yet the “loving” Left wants to make things worse for them, telling them that rebelling against God will solve their problems.  Even many secular pro-gay people have conceded this issue.  I’ve seen lots of evidence that many people are gay because of sexual abuse and/or relationship issues. I agree that anecdotes don’t make a full case, but I’m talking about a lot of anecdotes from people who come across hundreds or even thousands of gays. I’ve read of many counselors who said that virtually all of their gay patients had been abused or had serious relationship issues. And here’s a quote from gay activist / journalist Tammy Bruce from The Death of Right and Wrong:

Almost without exception, the gay men I know (and that’s too many to count) have a story of some kind of sexual trauma or abuse in their childhood – molestation by a parent or an authority figure, or seduction as an adolescent at the hands of an adult. The gay community must face the truth and see the sexual molestation of an adolescent for the abuse it is, instead of the “coming-of-age” experience many regard it as being. Until then, the Gay Elite will continue to promote a culture of alcohol and drug abuse, sexual promiscuity, and suicide by AIDS.

And nearly all the lesbians I know were abused by their fathers or husbands. It is tragic that their “solution” just makes things worse.

And if most kids with “trans” desire will eventually change their minds, why subject them to hormones and such?  That is child abuse!

Make no mistake: This society is crumbling faster than ever.  The Charlotte school district is trotting out a perverse “Gender Unicorn” to tell little boys that they may not be boys, and more.  If they could take your kids away from you for teaching them what Jesus says about human sexuality* they would.  And they may have that power soon.

Keep sharing the truth in love: Yes, we were all “born that way” as sinners, but there is hope in Jesus — but only in Jesus.  If you can’t agree with that and can’t agree with Jesus on sexuality then Christianity may not be your forte’.  I encourage you to get out now, for the sake of the real Christians.

*Mark 10:6-9 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.

Still not “born that way”

dna2.gifThe “gays were born that way” saying has taken on a life of its own and has an overwhelming impact on public policy and even religion.  Is it true?  If it is true, does it matter?  Some thoughts . . .

1. I’m highly skeptical of “proof” that it is genetic (either a “gay gene” or genetic predispositions), as these studies have all been proven to be false in the past.  There is no study showing that it is, and many showing that it isn’t.

2. Even if it is genetic, that doesn’t change the morality of the behavior.  You don’t get an “ought” from and “is.”  Gay-bashing is a sin, but on LGBTQX logic those people could claim they were “born that way.”

3. If it is genetic, the number of gays will be dramatically reduced in a generation or so.  Heterosexual parents will be quick to abort their children with predispositions to be gay.  And the Liberals won’t do much to stop them, because they typically love abortion rights more than gay rights.  Any time I pose that hypothetical situation to pro-abortion/pro-LGBTQ people, they always choose abortions over gays.  They haven’t changed their views even for gender selection abortions (which virtually all involve the killing of females for the sole reason that they are female), so they probably won’t change them for gays, either.

I think that would be a bad thing, of course, as I’m against abortions except to save the life of the mother, regardless of whether the baby has a predisposition to be gay.

4. I’ve seen lots of evidence that many people are gay because of sexual abuse and/or relationship issues.  I agree that anecdotes don’t make a full case, but I’m talking about a lot of anecdotes from people who come across hundreds or even thousands of gays.  I’ve read of many counselors who said that virtually all of their gay patients had been abused or had serious relationship issues.  And here’s a quote from gay activist / journalist Tammy Bruce from The Death of Right and Wrong:

Almost without exception, the gay men I know (and that’s too many to count) have a story of some kind of sexual trauma or abuse in their childhood – molestation by a parent or an authority figure, or seduction as an adolescent at the hands of an adult.  The gay community must face the truth and see the sexual molestation of an adolescent for the abuse it is, instead of the “coming-of-age” experience many regard it as being.  Until then, the Gay Elite will continue to promote a culture of alcohol and drug abuse, sexual promiscuity, and suicide by AIDS.

She wasn’t trying to dispel the “born that way” notion, but I thought her comment was compelling.

And nearly all the lesbians I know were abused by their fathers or husbands.  It is tragic that their “solution” just makes things worse.

5. It doesn’t have to be one traumatic event.  It could be the complete dynamics of a relationship in place from birth that would make someone think they were “always that way.”

6. Gays who choose that lifestyle would be predisposed to say they were born that way.  Otherwise, the whole “civil rights” demands would have even less reasoning behind them.  Just watch what happens when famous people claim they changed to be gay or lesbian.  The LGBTQX lobby goes into attack mode.

7. How many times do you see a newborn and say, “Now there’s a gay baby!”  Be sure not to unfairly stereotype youths as gay just because they have non-traditional characteristics.  How about nurturing and encouraging them for who they are and what interests they have?

8. Why are some people so eager to insist on the genetic link?  Seems kinda homophobic to me, as if they think the lifestyle would make an undesirable choice.

And don’t just say, “They are picked on, so who would want that lifestyle?”  That reasoning wouldn’t apply to people with true genetic differences that have made people a source of disapproval in the past.

Also, gay approval is at an all time high – “pride” parades, recognition as employee network groups at many businesses, civil unions & marriages – even apostate church weddings, almost universally favorable media treatment, etc.

9. Here’s one lady who doesn’t claim she was “born that way.”  She says feminism led her to lesbianism (go figure!).

Ms Wilkinson, Professor of Feminist and Health Studies at Loughborough University, said: “I was never unsure about my sexuality throughout my teens or 20s. I was a happy heterosexual and had no doubts. Then I changed, through political activity and feminism, spending time with women’s organisations. It opened my mind to the possibility of a lesbian identity.”

Dilemma of the day: Should it be legal to abort [hypothetically] gay children?

Originally posted on Disqus where it got predictable, mostly pro-abortion responses.

First, a little background: I’ve actually asked the title question for many years, but a commenter on a Disqus Religion thread thought she’d play a “gotcha” and asked me the same thing. She even pre-gloated by assuming I’d try to evade the question:

“What if the baby in the womb was destined (hard-wired) to be gay. (And “not possible” is not a valid argument. Hard-wiring is real, e.g., left-handedness, eye color, etc.) Does that fetus have any worth? If so, why? If not, why not? Simple question. Please check all dancing shoes at the door. ;)”

Guess who was doing the dancing after I quickly and clearly told her I would choose life for the “gay” child? I also pointed out that if her hypothetical came true that most parents – even the pro-LGBTQX kind — would choose abortion, just like they abort the majority of children with Down Syndrome or any other suspected disability.

And yes, of course I oppose all abortions except the extremely rare cases where they save the life of the mother. But I’ll take whatever exceptions I can get because every life counts. The real burden of this question is on the pro-LGBTQX / pro-abortion people (and yes, it is pro-abortion if you want taxpayers to fund them so there can be more).

So this conservative, Bible-believing Christian firmly and unequivocally says: No, of course not! The unborn are human beings from fertilization (scientific fact – check out any of those pesky mainstream embryology textbooks — human embryo ==> human fetus ==> human baby ==> human toddler ==> etc. Same human being at different stages of development) and are deserving of life regardless of their tendencies towards certain sins. We are all sinners in need of a Savior (and thank God for that wonderful Savior!). Anyone who comes to God on his indescribably gracious terms will be loved and forgiven by him. How dare we kill innocent people made in his image, regardless of whether they are in the womb or not?

Interestingly, every conservative, Bible-believing Christian I’ve posed that question to has said the same thing: No, don’t abort them (and I’ll be surprised and disappointed if any have alternate views here). Isn’t that odd for a group that allegedly hates gays?

But it gets better – by which I mean, much worse: Every pro-choice/pro-LGBTQX person I’ve posed the question to has always said they’d favor abortion rights! If you agree with Jesus that homosexual behavior is a sin then the Leftists call you a hater and worse, while they are actively preserving the [hypothetical] right to kill gays up to their first breath*.

So to recap my experience:
– Conservative, Bible-believing Christians say not to kill [hypothetically] gay people regardless of location
– Leftists – including “Christian” Leftists — approve of killing [hypothetically] gay children up to their first breath

I hope the Leftist commenters here prove me wrong and say why they’d oppose abortions for those children. But my guess is that most of them will be smart enough to think 5 seconds into the future and anticipate the next question: If you think it is wrong to kill “gay” children in the womb, why is it OK to kill “straight” children? It is sort of like how the feminists get tied in knots over gender-selection abortions, nearly all of which, in the ultimate misogyny, kill females for the sole reason that they are female. The feminists surely don’t like those abortions but they love the overall concept of abortion more than the lives of countless female victims. And it is like the supposedly pro-black Leftists who conveniently ignore that abortion kills blacks at a rate over three times that of whites — and how that will go higher when they get their dream of full taxpayer-funding for abortions. And yet they’ll say pro-lifers are the racists . . .

OK folks, on to our dilemma of the day: What do you love more, gays or abortion? That is, should it be legal to kill [hypothetically] gay children up to their first breath?

Bonus question for those choosing abortion rights over gay rights: Will it make it harder for you to pretend that conservative, Bible-believing Christians hate gays when you think it should be legal to kill them in the womb but they think it should be illegal? I mean, if killing someone isn’t hateful then what is? Do you still think it is fair to use the petty and fallacious “homophobe” personal attack if you would accept killing gays in the womb while Christians oppose it?


*The “Christian” Left is far more extreme in their pro-abortion agenda than the average pro-choice person, as they agree with Democrats’ platform of unrestricted, taxpayer-funded abortions – even “partial-birth abortion” (aka infanticide). They insist that life begins at the first breath and that Jesus is fine with killing unwanted children until that point. I realize how ridiculous their views sound and how many people must think I’m making a straw-man argument. But that is just because their own words are so clear and extreme: “According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.” More here about how to respond, with full, in-context quotes from them.

Equivocation is equivocation is equivocation . . .

Foolish and hypocritical Leftists are going around saying “Love is love is love is love is love is love” while expressing nothing but hatred towards Christians.

Response: Equivocation is equivocation is equivocation . . .

That is, they are cheating with their definition of “love” and pretending we oppose people loving each other.  Real love is having the long-term best interests of others at heart.  The Left does not offer that.

We don’t care who you love (in the proper sense of the word), we are just telling you that the one true God views homosexual sex as active rebellion against him. Don’t like it? Take it up with him. That’s not hateful to tell you that. And that isn’t what makes some gays kill themselves. The LGBXTQX lobby hates me 24×7 and I sleep well at night.

Oh, and Islam hates Jews, Christians, gays, etc. so much that they will keep trying to kill all of them if they don’t submit.  Or even if they do.