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Roundup

Good news: 61 abortion workers have quit after 40 Days for Life campaigns: pray for them

Obama’s America: Million Dollar Lottery Winner Still Collecting Food Stamps — the title says it all, though it isn’t just Obama, it is Liberalism in general.  With a straight face she rationalizes why she should still get food stamps.

Wise tips for children in worship.

Does Homosexual Behavior in Animals Mean it’s Natural for Humans? — Of course not, but that tired and transparently bad argument still gets a lot of mileage.  Do you really want to base human morality on what is natural in animals?  Male dogs may try to mate with multiple female dogs, “underaged dogs” (i.e., the equivalent of pedophilia), male dogs, your leg, your coffee table and more, but that hardly seems to be a good proxy for what to teach children as being normative.  And as Glenn noted in the comments, the “it’s good enough for me if the animals do it!” philosophy wouldn’t work so well if people started killing those who get too close to their nests or started eating their young.

Genetic evidence: another reason to doubt Mormonism — One of the many falsehoods in that religion.

Jim Winkler thinks nuclear weapons are super-bad, but gee, since we have them then it is OK for Iran to have them as well.  In a completely unrelated note, the UMC continues to shrink.

Randy Alcorn Q&A on Heaven

Kirk Cameron Responds to Criticism after Calling Homosexuality ‘Unnatural’ in Piers Morgan CNN Interview — Good for him!  Liberal interviewers love to put Christians on the spot.  Christians should just turn it around and ask what the Bible says.

A sad story about a woman who insisted on “selective reduction” (i.e., killing) of two of her triplets.  If this couple stays married it will be a minor miracle.  Abortion is so transparently wrong it is easy to argue against it in purely logical terms, but it is illuminating to read real stories about it as well to capture how awful it is.

Roxanne on Way to go, Liberalism!, addressing the amount of guys expecting sex on the first date:

Try getting a woman of the ’70s to believe this.  As I keep saying, those babes got to date men who were raised differently, who were excited, not entitled, when women slept with them.  Then they raised a bunch of men who think that all normal, healthy adults have sex, and now we’re to the point at which the Third Date Rule is looking a little antiquated.

Way to go, ladies. Way to go. [Golf claps] Now that near-total strangers, who could have incurable STDs, wives, girlfriends, hang-ups, bad BO, or corpses in the back yard, demand that you be alone with them, let them penetrate your body, and potentially impregnate you, let me know how that whole sexual revolution thing has worked out for you.  Seems like it’s worked out better for the men that the revolution was supposed to liberate you from.

False teachers cheer loss of religious freedom

You’d think that they would be able to think 15 minutes into the future and see that there might be a downside to them someday, but false teachers were rejoicing that the government is trampling religious freedoms in the name of health care.  Did it occur to these phonies that if they wanted to provide these benefits they could have done it without the government forcing them to?  Oh, that’s right, they want their religious views forced on others.

Via On Your Knees, Pro-Lifers: Mainline Version:

The United Methodist General Board of Church and Society, a member of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, seconds the latter’s glee over the recent decision by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to run roughshod over religious liberty in the interest of contraceptive orthodoxy

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Take note, United Methodists: your GBCS wants the government to be able to force you to support practices, and spend money to support practices, that are contrary to your faith. Any Christian, whether conservative or liberal, who does not believe that this decision, if allowed to stand, will not come back to eventually haunt us is living in a dream land. But then, we’ve known that about Jim Winkler for a long time.

It makes me want to rejoin the Methodist church just so I can leave it again.

The false teachers from the UCC are just as excited to give up their freedom.

Methodist Bishops wrong again

Fresh off Jim Winkler’s abuse of the story of the Good Samaritan, we have this: God’s Renewed Creation: Call to Hope and Action — A Pastoral Letter from the Council of Bishops of The United Methodist Church. These leaders embarrass themselves and the denomination over and over again.  (Please note that these are just the U.S. Bishops.  In my experience the International Bishops are more orthodox.  And as always, I’m grateful that my local church has sound theology.)

Once again, I am not anti-environment.  Two of my cars get 33-35 mpg, I have recycled newspapers for almost 40 years and I constantly minimize waste, among many other things.  But I find the shrill and un-thinking environmentalism espoused by these Bishops and other extremists to be counterproductive, and I am most concerned about their abuse of scripture to advance their political agenda.  

Here are selected portions of this announcement.

First, let us orient our lives toward God’s holy vision. This vision of the future calls us to hope and to action. “For surely I know the plans I have for you, says the LORD, plans for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope” (Jeremiah 29:11). Christ’s resurrection assures us that this vision is indeed a promise of renewal and reconciliation. As disciples of Christ, we take God’s promise as the purpose for our lives. Let us, then, rededicate ourselves to God’s holy vision, living each day with awareness of the future that God extends to us and of the Spirit that leads us onward.

Go read Jeremiah 29:11 in context, or even just verse 4: “This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says to all those I carried into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon . . .”   It has nothing to do with some generic promise to all people or even Christians.  It is a specific promise for a specific group (the Israelites taken into captivity by the Babylonians) at a specific time.   God’s plans for those who die without trusting in Jesus do not involve increasing their welfare or giving them a future with hope.  It will be an eternity in Hell.  Under no circumstances is this some kind of catch-all verse to share with people.

The Bishops completely misunderstood their foundational verse.  I’ve misinterpreted verses before, including that one, but (1) I’m not a group of 50 Methodist Bishops, (2) I am not speaking for the denomination, (3) I’m correctable and (4) I don’t take verses out of context to support my political views.

Did none of the Bishops realize how this verse was taken wildly out of context (bad),  did they not care (bad) or both (really bad)?

We practice social and environmental holiness by caring for God’s people and God’s planet and by challenging those whose policies and practices  neglect the poor, exploit the weak, hasten global warming, and produce more weapons.

Do they really challenge those whose practices neglect the poor and exploit the weak?  What have they done in, say, North Korea or Iran?

What do they do for the pro-life cause?  What could be more neglectful or exploitive than destroying unwanted human beings who are the weakest of all?

Have they not read that the global warming power grab was a fraud?  They need to pray for the spiritual gift of discernment.

Weapons protect people.  The Bishops should read Romans 13.

For example, in the Council of Bishops, the fifty active bishops in the United States are committed to listening and learning with the nineteen active bishops in Africa, Asia, and Europe. And the bishops representing the conferences in the United States will prayerfully examine the fact that their nation consumes more than its fair share of the world’s resources, generates the most waste, and produces the most weapons.

Maybe they should share our economic model (pre-Obama) that generated the amazing wealth in the U.S. — you know, the wealth we’ve shared with the rest of the world.  Economics is not a zero sum game.  Sure, some cheat, but if you provide superior service and products with efficiency you can win.  There is nothing un-Biblical about that.

We pledge ourselves to make common cause with religious leaders and people of goodwill worldwide who share these concerns. We will connect and collaborate with ecumenical and interreligious partners and with community and faith organizations so that we may strengthen our common efforts.

I see that 2 Corinthians 6:14 doesn’t mean much to these folks: Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

We pledge to advocate for justice and peace in the halls of power in our respective nations and international organizations.

Really?  What are your plans for Iran and N. Korea? 

Ecumenical and interreligious partners persist in demanding the major nuclear powers to reduce their arsenals, step by verifiable step, making a way to a more secure world totally disarmed of nuclear weapons.

Again, what are their plans for Iran and N. Korea?  Naiveté is not a spiritual gift.  It can be deadly.

There is nothing wrong with a message of reduce, reuse, recycle.  But the church should focus on its real purpose first.  This announcement by the Bishops is just more left-wing politics disguised as religion.

I wish these Bishops put this much energy into sharing the Gospel.  I’d like to ask each one individually when they last shared the real Gospel with someone — including the key points about their sin nature and need for a Savior, and how Jesus is the only way.

Note: Comments are welcomed, but instead of theological liberals just telling me I should leave the denomination instead of criticizing it, how about actually addressing my arguments?  For example, if you think the Bishops’ take on Jeremiah 29 is more accurate than mine, please explain why in detail.

Hat tip: Mark at Chester Street

Another reason it is hard to stay in the Methodist church

The pastors at my church are excellent and there are good things going on around the world, such as with our orthodox friends in the Kenyan church.  But the national leadership in the U.S. is awful and there are many Methodist churches I wouldn’t send my dogs to.   They are more charismatic in their style, anyway (No offense to my charismatic friends, just a throw-away gag.  I know we tend to be boring worshipers!).

Jim Winkler, General Secretary, General Board of Church & Society, who is staunchly pro-legalized abortion, is a perfect example of what is wrong with the denomination:

The provision of health care for all without regard to status or ability to pay is portrayed in the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:24-35). In a conversation that began with the question of how one might obtain eternal life, Jesus asserted that one must love God and one’s neighbor. In response to the next question as to who one’s neighbor is, Jesus told of a Samaritan, an outsider, who coming upon a wounded traveler, provided him with health care. Jesus described the duty to provide health care as owed regardless of the merit or ethnicity of the person in need, and owed to the limit of one’s economic capacity. By the way, this is from #3201, “Health Care for All in the United States,” 2008 Book of Resolutions of The United Methodist Church.

Twisting the Parable of the Good Samaritan to support universal health care — including government funding of the crushing and dismemberment of innocent human beings who are clearly our neighbors —  is scrip-torture of the highest degree. 

Note how Winkler and the like ask Caesar to take money  — by threat of force, loss of property or imprisonment — from neighbor A to give to neighbor B and then audaciously consider themselves to be the Good Samaritan in the story.  How charitable of them.  Go release some endorphins, folks!

Of course, the real Good Samaritan gave his own time and money, and without coercion.  Winkler-types aren’t even in the story.  They would be a new character, petitioning Caesar to force the Samaritan to help and taking away his opportunity to be loving and generous.

Also note his closing comment:

Any congregation that doesn’t seek health care for all of the uninsured should be sued for malpractice!

I’d say that any congregation seeking glory for asking the government to take money from one group to “care” for another should be sued for malpractice.  And I put care in quotes because Winkler & Co. consider this to be health care.

P.S. Winkler’s implication that doing good deeds merits eternal life is bad theology as well.