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False teacher admits lying at his ordination vows and leaves Methodist church. Yea!

Gerry Hill | Love Prevails notes how a false teaching pastor left the United Methodist Church (eventually) after admitting that  he lied at his ordination vows.  Good for him!  Sort of.  He is still horribly wrong about the Bible, but at least he has ‘fessed up about his lies and is leaving the denomination.  If only other pastors and lay people with his beliefs would do the same!

I left this comment, but I don’t think it will make it out of moderation:

Thanks for admitting that you lied at your ordination vows. I wish other wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing clergy would leave like you did.

Your canard about people committing suicide because churches won’t marry them is another lie. Do some research. Their sexual preferences are often a consequence of other issues, not the cause.

I wish the pro-LGBTQ lay people would leave as well.

“I have always known, to the core of my soul, that Jesus loves and accepts all people.”

Statements like that betray a non-Christian worldview. Jesus accepts all who repent and believe. If you shake your fist at God, as you are doing, then you are not meeting God on his terms. He set very gracious terms, but you don’t get to sit in judgment of them.

The Bible couldn’t be more clear. Bible-believing Christians and even two out of the three types of pro-gay people* (religious or not) can see these truths:

100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior describe it as sin in the clearest and strongest possible terms.

100% of the verses referring to God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.

100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).planned

0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions of any kind.

* The three general types of pro-gay theology people: 1. “The Bible says homosexuality is wrong but it isn’t the word of God” (obviously non-Christians) 2. “The Bible says it is wrong but God changed his mind and is only telling theological Liberals” (only about 10 things wrong with that) 3. “The Bible is the word of God but you are just misunderstanding it” (Uh, no, not really.)

If you really love people you won’t lie to them about this and more:

  1. That their behavior is rebellion against God, but forgiveness and and healing are possible through Jesus.
  2. They were not “born that way,” and even if they were that wouldn’t excuse them from acting on their impulses.  Things like sexual attraction can and do change.
  3. That gays have 40+ times higher rates of Syphilis and HIV, partly because 62% of men who know they are HIV-positive have unprotected sex with men.
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Roundup

Some good news from my former denomination: Talk Grows of Liberal Exodus from UMC.  Alternate title: “Non-Christians threaten to leave church.”  And people think this is a bad thing . . . why?  It would be the best thing to happen to the Methodists in 100 years.

Since last spring’s General Conference, there has been an unprecedented mushrooming of talk of liberal exodus from the United Methodist Church.  For all of the surrounding frustration, that landmark event in Tampa, Florida was an apparent turning point in the struggle for the soul of our global denomination.

Delegates affirmed the denomination’s official teaching that sex is “only” for marriage and that homosexual practice is “incompatible with Christian teaching” (¶161F of the Book of Discipline) by a significantly larger margin than the previous General Conference. For the first time, activists opposed to biblical teaching ultimately gave up on even contesting UMC policies aligning required behavior of clergy and denominational officials with this stand.

More good news: There’s hope for civilization:

You have to look outside the Beltway, of course, but occasionally there’s a glimmer.

Pat Wesner is a mother of four, with one grown, disabled son in her care and another serving in Afghanistan. On Tuesday, she stumbled on the perfect crime when $11,000 fell off a Brinks truck with no one around to see it.

But she returned the money, because it didn’t belong to her.  What a concept!

Now, meet 18-year-old Indiana man Jhaqueil Reagan, who walked 10 miles in the snow for a job interview at Dairy Queen to support his brothers and sisters, and was well rewarded for his efforts . . .

Liberal thinking hasn’t poisoned everyone!

The Magical Word “Women” – A great lesson in politics and how Republicans are stupid when dealing with the Democrats’ games.  The Dems just throw in a word like “women” then add all sorts of awful things to a bill then shame Republicans into voting for it.  How hard would it be to distribute talking points to all Republicans along these lines?

  • You don’t need Federal laws against spousal abuse (or any kind of abuse).  State and local government have those covered.
  • “It expands the definition of domestic violence to include causing “emotional distress” or using “unpleasant speech.”” – this makes it overly broad and open to all sorts of (ironically enough) abuse.
  • “It ostensibly nullifies the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty.”
  • The bill also expands the law’s reach to give tribal Indian authorities jurisdiction over non-Indians accused of abusing Indian women.
  • “It would grant more visas to illegal immigrants who are victims of domestic abuse.”  So we are going to take on everyone in the planet who lodges an accusation of abuse?   And we’ll do this when we don’t even take people suffering from religious persecution?

Don’t let Leftists and fake Christians play out their equivalent of the shrill Helen Lovejoy “won’t someone please think of the children/women” falsehood.

Once again, see how non-Christians/non-Catholics/fake Christians think they have a say in the selection of the next Pope.

There is much that good people of faith can disagree with Pope Benedict on: his attacks on the rights of women and gays and lesbians, and the failures of the RCC under his leadership to deal with the child abuse scandal.

Translations:

  • “Attacks on the rights of women” = opposing the crushing and dismembering of innocent but unwanted human beings.  Oh, and nearly all gender-selection abortions kill females for the sole reason that they are female.  Still not sure how that qualifies as pro-women.  Shame on the “churches” who insist that it is a human right  to be able to kill babies.
  • “attacks on the rights of gays and lesbians” = believes what God says in the Bible and opposes oxymoronic “same-sex marriage.”
  • “child abuse scandal” – you mean the one perpetrated and covered up by the huge homosexual underground in the Church?  Yes, we oppose that, too.

Why Are We Not Talking About America’s $123 Trillion In Unfunded Liabilities? – another example of Republicans being stupid at politics.  It isn’t just the National Debt, it is the off-balance sheet liabilities that must be dealt before we destroy this great country.

US Unfunded Liabilities

Another sad story of how deadly political correctness can be.  Note that when they are discussing criminal acts, “Asian” = Muslim

For all the phony hype about bullying, here’s a real bullying story that doesn’t seem to be getting much traction in the media. I wonder why:

The devastated family of a nine-year-old boy who hanged himself say he took his life after racist taunts by Asian bullies.

Former top IVF doc: I was ‘absolutely horrified’ when I realized what I was doing – be very cautious when considering in vitro fertilization.

Caruso noted that such “objectification of children” is of a piece with the IVF mentality, where aborting inconvenient children is both routine and encouraged.

Breaking: Obama campaign caught in major NC vote fraud scheme – anyone surprised?

North Carolina’s Civitas Institute has revealed that the North Carolina State Board of Elections and the Obama campaign conspired to register at least 11,000 people via the internet in violation of state law. This has been confirmed through records requests filed with all of North Carolina’s 100 counties. The counting is not yet complete.

North Carolina does not allow online voting, but according to Civitas, SBE staff authorized an Obama campaign website, Gottaregister.com, to use a web-based registration program. The SBE’s chief lawyer responded to the charge with a plainly disingenuous 1984-newspeak answer:

Wright repeatedly denied that the SBE allowed online voter registration, insisting that it was “web-based voter registration” instead, as if there could be a “web-based” process that wasn’t online.

My biggest concern is that their successful voter fraud will, as with other criminals, embolden them to do larger and larger frauds.

Even more good news: How privatization turned the worst-performing NHS hospital around – Capitalism works.  Socialism and Communism do not.  History has spoken, but people are too ignorant of it and of basic human nature.

 

False teacher thinks abortion and gay sex are family values

First, I must point out how amusing it is for a fake like Chuck Currie to use scare quotes around “Christian” regarding any group —  Conservative “Christian” Group Says Oregon’s Congressional Delegation “Anti-Family”.

Let’s recap some of the “Reverend’s” views:

  • Jesus is not the only way to salvation
  • Jesus is pro-abortion, including partial-birth abortion and taxpayer-funded abortion
  • the Holy Spirit told him and the other Liberals in the UCC that God has changed his stance on marriage, parenting and homosexual behavior (now that’s blasphemy!)
  • the book of John doesn’t belong in the Bible
  • the Gospel of Thomas does belong in the Bible
  • it is acceptable to lie and libel people on blogs as long as you think you won’t get caught
  • Christians  have as much to learn from other religions as they do from us (really?  I don’t remember Jesus saying that . . .)
  • and so much more!

I think it is pretty clear who the “Christian” is.

Now let’s consider the article.  Chuck defends the alleged anti-family people by saying that they voted to “protect the right of women to make their own health care decisions.”  If that wasn’t about abortion then it wouldn’t be pro-family or anti-family.  But of course it is all about abortion.  Perhaps Chuck can explain why this represents family values to him?  How does fighting for the right to crush and dismember innocent human beings help families?

Chuck also objects to he NRA.  What could be more pro-family than giving people the right to protect their families?

Chuck also plays his usual word games, noting that “What they consider “family values” is often the opposite of what millions of Christians across the United States consider moral.”  Given how many claim the Christian label in the U.S., including race-baiting, lying fakes like Chuck “Jesus is not the only way” Currie, then of course you can find “millions” who agree with you — especially if you assume that the denominational leaders speak for all their members.  That is a big lie, as many Methodist leaders, for example, openly mock the denomination’s Book of Discipline.

Of course, we could use the same logic and say that millions of real Christians agree that what Chuck considers pro-family is a perversion of the family.  Only we’d have the Bible on our side!

In the comments section Chuck said this:

It is sometimes amazing how we live with such different understandings of what the Christian faith is.

Yes, that is amazing.  Re-read the list of Chuck’s views at the top of the post for evidence of that.

Some good news out of the Methodist Book of Discipline

Bishop Timothy W. Whitaker is one of the bright spots in the Methodist Church in the U.S.  In the midst of so many false teachers he continually speaks the truth in a compelling way.  His comments on the UMC progress on the issue of abortion are encouraging:

The 2008 General Conference of The United Methodist Church took a step toward greater moral seriousness when it amended the denomination’s Social Principles on abortion.

 Paragraph 161 J in the 2008 Book of Discipline contains important additions: “The Church shall offer ministries to reduce unintended pregnancies,” and “We affirm and encourage the Church to assist the ministry of crisis pregnancy centers and pregnancy resource centers that compassionately help women find feasible alternatives to abortion.”

Also see Something only a committee could create: The United Methodist abortion position.