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About the Word-Faith / Charismatic religion

This is a phenomenal video.  Justin Peters is great at clearly taking down these leaders, who are demon-possessed frauds.  I pray that their followers will watch, learn and escape.

 

Here are some screen shots and notes:

 

 

 

 

 

Both Hindus and Word-Faith/Charismatic groups do this.  Watch videos of each and you’ll see the behavior is indistinguishable.

Cessationism is the belief that the apostolic spiritual gifts have ceased, not that all have ceased.

Pagans can speak in tongues just as professing charismatic Christians do.  And they sound the same!

The “you must speak in tongues to be a Christian” reasoning is nonsense on many levels.  Biblical tongues were known languages, not gibberish.  And they had to be interpreted.  And not everyone was speaking in tongues at once.  And not everyone had the gift of tongues.  Other than that . . .

Go to the 15 min. mark of the video to watch wolf Sid Roth “teach” you how to speak in tongues.  You have to have a complete void of discernment to follow these people.


He does a great job exposing all the “Heaven tourism” books and the dangers of “Christian” bookstores, which have about half biblical books and half satanic books.  They are poster children for being unequally yoked.  It shows that their real motive is profit, not glorifying God (remember that even a pagan can sell Bibles for profit).

Don Piper, for example, claimed in his book that he went to Heaven but didn’t see God.  But now he goes on TV with detailed descriptions of how he did see God.  What a phony.  If your entire claim to fame is that you went to Heaven then there is no way you miss a detail like that.

Peters also exposes the Burpo, Malarkey and other frauds.  One of the alleged Heaven visitors said it was a fraud, but his dad wrote the book and exploited his son’s paralysis for the sake of gain.

Jesse Duplantis is a fraud on many levels, including claiming that an angel called God “Jehovah.”  I didn’t realize that Jehovah was a word made up in the 1500’s and that an angel wouldn’t use it.

Only Stephen, Paul and John are listed in the Bible as having glimpsed Heaven.  Paul humbly said he couldn’t describe the splendor.  But the “Heaven Tourists” describe it in weird and contradictory ways.   And their claims imply that scripture wasn’t complete.

If you want to learn about Heaven, read In Light of Eternity by Randy Alcorn.


He also took on Beth Moore and Sarah Young’s Jesus Calling early on (the video is from 2013) about their “God told me” nonsense.  As Peters says, “If you want to hear God speak, read your Bible.  If you want to hear God speak audibly, read it out loud.”  God is not speaking outside scripture in the way that these wolves claim.


He also exposes the faith healers who pretend that you can always avoid sickness and disease, or that if you get sick then healing is guaranteed.  By claiming that God always heals those who have faith then they are saying it is always your fault if you are sick.  Hey, that’s great, please pile on those who are already suffering.  Oh, and you need to send them money.

Those wolves are not Christians.  You can’t be a Christian and teach those vile lies.  The atonement accomplishes so many things, but some are realized here and some in Heaven.  God still heals, but not on command and definitely not at all times.  The apostolic gift of healing ended almost 2,000 years ago.

And note the goofiness of those who pick a random Bible verse and say that is why you need to “sow a seed” for the chapter and verse (e.g., $54.17 for Isaiah 54:17)?

No legitimate teacher should go on TBN, Daystar, etc. because it gives legitimacy to these wolves.

Sure, pray for healing, but God can use our suffering to sanctify us and glorify himself.


He notes how we are losing the battle on the sufficiency of scripture.  So many people want something more, as if the Bible isn’t enough.


P.S. One of my favorites posts: Most charismatics are closet cessationists

Be very skeptical of those claiming direct revelation from God, even if from a popular teacher like Beth Moore

It is bad enough that those with alleged direct revelations from God are usually saying something that is the opposite of the Bible (à la the United Church of Christ’s “God is still speaking;” campaign, as if God gives new revelations with Swiss watch clarity to those who mock what He said the first time!).  But it is also bad because it makes those not “receiving” the revelations feel like they aren’t real Christians, or at least not special Christians like Beth. Via Do Not Be Surprised…: Why Beth Moore and Not Me? The Danger of Claiming to Receive Direct Revelation:

When God speaks, He does so with authority. He issues no ‘lesser’ revelation. His words are full and final and they stand for eternity. This is why His Word is so precious. It is unchanging, and it is the sole authority for the Christian. In the Bible, God has revealed all that the Christian needs to know in matters pertaining to life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3). In this Word, He has revealed to us His Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is the Living Word (John 1:1) and He is the final Word (Heb 1:1–2).

Any claim that is made, then, that God continues to speak outside of His Word and deliver direct, personal revelation is one that must be considered with great seriousness. After all, if God always speaks with authority, then such revelations must be perceived to be as inspired as Scripture. Any private prophecy, voice, dream or vision that is claimed to be from God must find a place in the back of our Bibles and our Bible ‘reading plans’ must be extended to include these words. Mustn’t they?

For some, the Word of God as revealed in the 66 books of the Bible is not enough. These are those who find themselves on a constant quest for ‘more’. A deeper, more meaningful emotional experience coupled with an alleged ‘word from the Lord’ often offers precisely what the dissatisfied seeker desires. But what of the one who longs for such an experience, but does so in vain? What of the woman who finds herself in despair because ‘God’ is ‘speaking’ to her friend or favorite Bible teacher through divine nudges and dreams but is seemingly silent in her own situation? What are the dangers of claiming to be the recipient of direct, personal revelation from God?

Popular SBC Bible teacher Beth Moore is no novice when it comes to ‘hearing’ from God. In her book, The Beloved Disciple, she makes the following claim:

Beloved, I am convinced one of our severest needs is pure rest. Not only sleep, but refreshment and recreation. Recently God spoke to me about capturing what He and I are calling “Sabbath moments.” Like many of yours, my schedule right now is particularly tough, and I see no time in the near future for a number of days off. God spoke to my heart one Saturday morning while I was preparing for Sunday school: “My child, in between more intense rests, I want to teach you to take Sabbath moments.” I wasn’t certain what He meant. Just that morning God confirmed His desire for me to drive all the way to the other side of Houston to the medical center to visit a patient with brain cancer. I was very thankful for the privilege of visiting this patient, but I knew in advance it would be tough emotionally and far from restful.

Beth Moore, The Beloved Disciple, (B&H Publishing: 2003), 220.

In other places, Moore has claimed to have received a vision of the “church as Jesus sees it.” And when God once said to her, “I’m gonna tell you something right now, Beth, and boy you write this one down, and you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it . . .” well, all Christians should have added those words to the back of their Bible.

It seems that people like Moore get a legitimate following, then start to imagine that they are getting special communications from God.  While that is possible, the burden of proof is on them.  And these “revelations” usually end up sounding Satanic, such as the Jesus Calling book by Sarah Young.

Read it all.  This comment from the post summed it up well:

We know the issues with direct revelation, but here is the part that made me saddest. After this interminable story ended, the ladies who were at the DVD study with me, sighed and glowed in appreciation for this unique relationship Moore has with God. One lady said sadly and wistfully, “I wish I had what she has.”

Properly understanding how God speaks to us is one of the most crucial lessons there is for wise and effective living.  And it isn’t that hard.  See Decision making and the will of God for an overview.

Roundup

Are Beth Moore’s claims of private revelation valid? — I know lots of folks who like her, but I find it creepy when people continually claim a direct hotline to God — i.e., “God told me ______” — unless they follow it with a Bible verse, in context.   That is a huge claim and the burden of proof is on whomever makes it.  Hat tip: TheoGeek

A thorough biblical analysis of women in ministry.

“Outraged atheists lose faith in Dawkins as he censors website”

This may be occasion for presenting Richard Dawkins with the Can Dish it Out But Cannot Take it award . . . Richard Dawkins has literally built the New Atheist movement upon vociferously pouring down abusive language based derision upon anyone who dares to disagree with him and now…the monster which he created, nurtured and let lose upon the word has come home to roost. Actually, it has come home to burn down the laboratory of its creator.

Dawkins promulgates the mere that I, a Jew, am to be likened to a Holocaust denier because I doubt that human beings are related to “bananas and turnips” and he takes offence at an admittedly uncalled for description of his visage. Please get over yourself professor.

UK Govt’ to Impose “Hate Registers” for British Children who Make Gay Comments — coming soon to a country near you.  As we’ve said for years, this is the logical conclusion of superfluous “hate speech” and civil rights for sexual preferences legislation.  As always, I’m anti-bullying, but we don’t need special clubs and “hate speech” laws for 10 year olds to prevent bullying.

The Mail notes the case of one boy who has already been placed on such a registry for calling another pupil a “gay boy.” The mother of ten year-old Peter Drury, of Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, was told that her son’s name would be placed on a register and permanent school record following a complaint about the comment by another student.

Pathetic race-baiting by the Huffington Post — a  friend posted that link on his Facebook account.  My responses:

Fact: The candidates you support oppose school choice, because they like union donations more than black children. That’s racism.

Fact: The candidates you support keep abortion legal and it kills blacks at a rate three times that of whites. See where Planned Parenthood puts their clinics. Investigate Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood. She was a eugenicist that paid off black preachers to encourage them to have their members sterilized, among other things. She wanted to eliminate the undesirables. Abortions kill more blacks in a day over and above whites than the KKK ever dreamed of. That’s racism.

Fact: The candidates you support profit by keeping blacks poor and uneducated. That’s racism.

Fact: People like you use blacks as some sort of trump card so you can scream RAAAAACISM whenever you are losing the debates (which, apparently, is always). That’s racism.

Hey, have you visited Detroit lately? It is a petri dish of Liberal politics and education policies. Like other big cities, Democrats have had virtual monopolies for 50 years. How’s that working out for the black folks there?

Homework assignment: Watch MSNBC tonight — you know, the ones who scream RAAAAACIST all the time. Tell me how many black news people you see. I’ll wait here.

Compare Bush, who put many blacks in high level positions based on their merits, then compare that to Democrats.

Look at liberal companies like HP, who load up the “Diversity” groups with black executives but barely have any elsewhere.

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Protesting wasteful gov’t spending and socialism is not racist. Playing the race card because your arguments suck is racist.