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Detroit Baptist leader resigns after announcing she is not a Christian

The actually link says, “Detroit Baptist leader resigns after announcing she married a woman,” but I’ll stick with my title.

Facing a backlash from conservatives in her congregation, a noted Christian leader in Detroit resigned Friday from her church after announcing earlier this month she had married a woman.

Bishop Allyson D. Nelson Abrams stepped down from Zion Progress Baptist Church, where she had served for five years as its first female pastor. Her announcement from the pulpit earlier this month that she had married a woman stunned many local Baptists.

“Female pastor” is as oxymoronic as “same-sex marriage,” so I’m not sure why they were so stunned (though of course many male false teachers hold anti-biblical views on marriage as well).

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Abrams, 43, used to be married to a man, but she told congregants Oct. 6 she was in love with Diana Williams, a bishop emeritus with the Imani Temple African-American Catholic Congregation in Washington, D.C., a church that broke off from the Catholic Church. The two married in March in Iowa, where same-sex marriage is legal.

So she actually got “married” much earlier after divorcing a man and didn’t tell her congregation.  Sounds like serial lying to me.

Given the conservative views of many Baptists on the issue of homosexuality and female pastors, Abrams’ announcement caused an intense debate among local Christians. She said many supported her decision to come out while others opposed her gay marriage. Some urged her to stay with the church, but Abrams said she resigned because she didn’t want to further create division. Some in the congregation had found out about her same-sex marriage before she made her Oct. 6 announcement and were making it an issue that was dividing the church.

“I know how important it is for congregations to stay together,” she told the Free Press. “I didn’t want to split the church any further over this issue.”

So she was surprised that it would be divisive?!

Abrams cited biblical verses to support the idea that same-sex relationships are allowable under Christian teachings, including Luke 7:1-10, which talks about the love a man has for his male servant.

Misinterpreting the passage that badly should even disqualify a man from preaching.  Read it yourself and ask if supports homosexual behavior.  Pro-LGBTQX “pastors” rely on biblical ignorance when making claims like that.  And since they are the church leaders, they obviously don’t want people reading the book for themselves.

Saying that love is a big part of Christianity, Abrams said: “We all know that we’ve been made in God’s image, and so no matter what you look like, no matter who you are, no matter what your orientation is,” we should be free to love whom we want.

Foolish statements like that are impossible to make if you actually read the Bible and take it seriously.  Using her logic, anything you want to do must be OK.  There would be no sins.

And she begs the question by assuming that love has to involve sex.

“Love is something that’s supposed to be unconditional,” she added. “And as Christians, if anybody is supposed to be loving, we are.”

Again, that doesn’t mean sex has to be part of the relationships.

Abrams, who has a doctorate degree in theology, said her views about love and orientation changed a “little over a year ago.”

A doctorate in theology?!  Wow.

So in less than a year she went from alleged Bible-believer to support “same-sex marriage” to “marrying” a woman?  I’m skeptical.

“I progressed in my theology and came to the point where I would love whichever came to me. I wasn’t just open to (a specific) gender, I was open to love in whatever way the Lord would bless me.”

Well, gee, since she blamed God for it she must be right . . .

That’s just blasphemy.

. . . The Rev. Charles C. Adams, the presiding pastor of one of Detroit’s biggest churches, Hartford Memorial Baptist Church, said he supports Abrams.

“Bishop Abrams is a very intelligent, conscientious and progressive minister,” he said. “She has done a lot to help people.

“She, herself did not seek to make this an issue,” he added. “It was an issue that from my understanding was ignited by rumors and innuendos … somebody looking up the marriage certificate on the Internet.”

Another false teacher weighs in. Yeah, it was someone else’s fault.  How dare they speak the truth that their pastor “married” a woman and didn’t tell them!

Adams, who supports gay marriage in terms of constitutional rights, said there needs to be more discussion of this issue in the African-American Christian community.

By denying gay marriage, “we are denying people equal protection under the law,” Adams said. “There is no justification for that. We have same-gender couples working in every sector of society and they are not being treated fairly.”

Wrong.  You don’t have a right to a square circle or to a “same-sex union of a man and a woman.”

Others disagree with Abrams, saying she is violating Christian doctrine. Elder Levon Yuille, pastor of The Bible Church in Ypsilanti, said that gay marriage is “diametrically opposed to the teachings of the Bible.” Yuille said that unless Abrams stops being in a gay relationship, she should stop preaching.

“To be in accordance with scripture, she would have to give up that type of homosexual lifestyle,” he said.

Finally, some sanity!  Although she should stop preaching for a host of reasons.

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Abrams said her interpretation of scripture is compatible with same-sex relationships. She said that Greek words used in the Bible,“entimos doulos pais,” can be interpreted together to refer to a male lover.

That is a terrible analysis.  More here.  Why doesn’t she look at Romans 1?

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Back to the article . . .

She acknowledges there can be varying views on this issue.

“People have the right to interpret scripture whatever way they please,” she said. “I respect difference of opinions.”

As for what’s next for her, she said she’s considering joining two other denominations but would not say which ones. She said will continue to preach the gospel.

“I’m still going to preach and teach and do what God has called me to do,” she said.

More blasphemy.  God hasn’t called her to anything she’s done yet.  Why start now?

Responding to an atheist

A few thoughts on this sad post called why i am an atheist.  I think the person was a commenter here at some point (I had started a draft of this and never finished it until now).

religion was never a big part of my life.  when i was a young child, i believed in God because my mother did.  she was raised a Christian.

 i’m less sure about the beliefs of my father, who died when i was nine years old.  we rarely went to church, and we didn’t say grace at the dinner table.  my memories of church are only impressions now, and consist mainly of the remembrance of feelings of utter boredom and intense frustration.  my parents, especially my father, had always impressed upon me the need to ask questions and the danger inherent in unquestioning acceptance.  hence, my time in the few Sunday school classes i attended was not unlike a form of torture.  i recall intense feelings of rejection and isolation.  after one such encounter, (when i was probably about six years old) i went to my father and told him what i had been taught.  i told him that my questioning had been discouraged and asked him about the truth of what i’d been told, specifically about the business with the talking snake.  i told him i didn’t believe it, and asked him if that story was true.  ”of course not”, he replied.  and thus the seeds of doubt had been sown.

Ugh.  That is inevitable when churches are social clubs and people don’t take the Bible seriously.  How many people in the pews know it is their jobs to educate their children?  (Ephesians 6:4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.)

as i’ve said, we didn’t go to church often, and for that i am as grateful as i am for any other fact of my happy childhood.  i have immense respect for those who have been subject to religious indoctrination and have managed to free themselves of it.  things went on happily and peacefully until the sudden death of my father.  although i had profound doubts about the existence of a god, i decided then and there that any being that could visit such cruelty couldn’t possibly be good or merciful.

It is sad that he lost his father, but he also does what other non-believers do: Sit in judgment of God.  But if there was no God, then his father’s life was meaningless.

i adored my father.  i channeled my grief and anger into striving to learn.  the library was my sanctuary.  the following year, Carl Sagan’s Cosmos aired on PBS.  i was utterly fetched.  the beautiful explanations of the world around me and the universe beyond captured my imagination.  this soft-spoken man seemed to radiate…”goodness”, for lack of a better word.

Another irony: Without God, there is no grounding for “goodness.”

i came to see the scientific endeavors of mankind as the best expression of what goodness we are capable of as a species

That is illogical: Science deals with the material world, but things like goodness are immaterial.

(although all such endeavors have not been to our betterment), and i found in Cosmos an affirmation of my deep-seated questioning nature.   i also began to understand that there is really no need for “god”.  perhaps even more importantly, i saw no evidence for one.

Other than the cosmological, teleological, moral, transcendental, etc. arguments.

when i was twelve, i had a creationist answer my assertion that radiometric dating proves the earth much older than 10, 000 years with, “carbon-14 dating is the tool of Satan.  you are deceived.”  seriously.

So if an atheist gives a bad answer does that prove that there is a God?

as i got older, i came into contact with many believers, most (but by no means all) of them Christian.  like anything else, i found some good and some not.  i had many discussions with people of various faiths.  i sincerely tried to understand not only what they believed, but why they believed it.  i got many answers, but found only more questions.  i attended a Baptist church with my grandmother.  i listened to a grotesque litany of all the reasons that most people were going to hell.  afterward, i told the preacher exactly what i thought.  i don’t think he appreciated it much.  i read the Bible – cover to cover.  i’m not ashamed to admit that i found it one of the most boring exercises of my life, and i say this as a person who has also read James Joyce.  

Good dig on James Joyce (I had to read him in college.  Double ugh.).  But I do give the writer credit for reading the Bible.  That is always my aim with believers and non-believers.

but i really needed to see for myself what was in that book.  i found virtually nothing uplifting and much that was quite appalling.  

Yes, it lists countless sins of rebellious sinners attempting “deicide” each day by pretending God doesn’t exist or trying to take over his role by sitting in judgment of him.

i marveled at its many, many contradictions.  

And apparently didn’t study the readily available answers.

i learned about who wrote it, and also about the apocrypha.  i found that the arguments about what was to be included in the Bible as it is today were no less sordid or contentious as anything that occurs on Capitol Hill.  i’ve had believers knock on my door to give me the “good news”, only to have them threaten me with eternal torture for my failure to believe as they do.  

I wasn’t there, so perhaps those were poor presentations of the Gospel.  It isn’t about believing everything we do, but about believing the truth about Jesus.  In other words, it isn’t about us, it is about Jesus.

The truth is that the Bible never mentions torture (torment, yes).  But it is for your sins against God and not for failing to believe like we do.

during these years, i was also encouraged in my quest for knowledge by some truly talented and remarkable teachers.  i read On the Origin of Species and A Brief History of Time, among others works about the realities of our planet and universe.  everything that i learned and everything that i saw around me lead me to the conclusion that there probably is no god.  i found that i liked the idea very much.  i found it very liberating.  

I appreciate his honesty.  Sometimes atheists do admit that one thing they like best about their worldview is the (apparent) lack of accountability.

i found that it gave my life more meaning.

Now that is ironic.  If there is no God then life is truly and utterly meaningless.

i live in a very conservative area.  i don’t know very many atheists.  i’ve been asked by the few people with whom i discuss such things how i came to choose it and if i’m afraid of going to hell.  my answer is this:  i didn’t choose atheism any more than i chose my eye color.  i am simply not capable of believing in things for which no evidence exists.  because i have no reason to believe there is a hell, i have no fear of it.  i wouldn’t care to spend eternity with a deity who would punish perfectly reasonable doubt with eternal torture anyway.

He apparently misread the Bible.  Again, Hell is torment, not torture, and it is for countless sins against your creator and not for reasonable doubts.  That’s a double straw-man argument.

i’ve been asked to explain my morality, and my answer is this:  i am a good person for its own sake.  i try to treat others the way i wish to be treated not because i hope for some reward or fear some punishment for not doing so, but simply because it is the right thing to do.  i’m happy this way.  i’m comfortable with not having all of the answers.  i have no need to ascribe a supernatural answer to the unknown, simply because so many things that have been ascribed a supernatural cause have been explained by science.  i see no reason why that would change.

why am i an atheist?  because I can’t be anything else.

I hope God makes him spiritually alive someday.


Bad Doctrine is a Cruel Taskmaster — The term doctrine sounds dry and boring to some people, but the Bible could not be more clear about the importance of sound doctrine.  The first link has a list of many bad things that happen when we believe false teachings. The best antidote is to read the Bible.  A lot.


I’m a Reformed Christian at a Baptist church, and I approve of this joke via Pastor Timothy (at least I think it was a joke . . .).

The argument between Reformed Presbyterians and Reformed Baptist essentially boils down to the following statements:

BAPTIST: “You Presbyterians use too little water too early!”

PRESBYTERIANS: “You Baptists use too much water too late!”

There, now you have it.


The war on women of color?  Union leader smashes pinata with picture of Nikki Haley on it.  Would the media reaction have differed if the union person was a Tea Partier and the pinata had a picture of a Democrat who was a minority?


I assume this quote is about the cessation of some spiritual gifts, an argument I haven’t researched much.  But he makes a good point about the false teachers.

If signs and wonders did still exist, do you think they would be given to people with bad theology? You think God would give Benny Hinn the power to do miracles to authenticate really bad theology? If those gifts existed, they would belong to the purest, most faithful, sound teachers of the word of God to authenticate their teaching–not to hair-brained people who spew out whatever comes into their head.  — John MacArthur


The Perils of Polygamy — Polygamy is bad for men, women, children and society in general.  But do the pro-“same-sex marriage” folks advocate for polygamy with the same passion and reasoning that they do for their pet cause, or are they shameless, bigoted haters?  Seems to me that the case for polygamy, as flawed as it is, is superior to the one for “same-sex marriage.”  After all, polygamous marriages involve a man and a woman, which can produce children and provide a mother and father to them — albeit in a far less desirable way than traditional marriage.


CNN Urges Normal Couples to Emulate Homosexuals’ Promiscuity — That’s impossible!  They must be taking things out of context, right?  Nope.

According to “eminent marriage therapist” John Gottman,

“Straight couples may have a lot to learn from gay and lesbian relationships.”

For example,

“A number of my gay clients prefer to be sexually open but emotionally monogamous,” says sex and relationship therapist Joe Kort. “They can have lovers on the side and not have it be a threat to the relationship.”

It’s a type of male coupledom that sex columnist Dan Savage has famously termed “monogamish” …

I’m going to ignore that advice.


Obama 2004 Campaign Flashback: Bush Deficit Is An “Enormous Problem” — yep.


Fashion show at church — worse than it sounds.

Most pastors are probably not terribly concerned about the fashion statement they make from the pulpit … certainly not enough to start a web site devoted to the topic. But Ed Young, senior pastor of Fellowship Church, a mega-church in the Dallas-Fort Worth area is not most pastors. In February of this year, he launched Pastor Fashion, which is devoted to exploring how “the men and women of God [can] set the standard for the rest of the world in fashion as well as faith.”

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Yikes. One might be concerned that Young is too focused on outward appearances … and they would probably be right. On this point, he told ABC News: “You need to make the cover as good as possible so people will read the book.” . . .

“We should be at the forefront of fashion,” he told ABC News. “I think we have the ultimate message and should dress up with the times.” Staying up on the trends of the times sounds like quite a luxury … not something God actually expects of his followers. Perhaps the fact that people frequently notice Young’s hip clothes and consult him for fashion advice should serve as a warning to focus less on external appearances, rather than more.

This is one more reason I’m glad I moved to Reformed theology. I don’t have to waste a single moment worried that if I don’t have just the right shirt on that someone won’t get saved.

Years ago I used to catch Young’s father on the radio and he seemed pretty sound.  If his father isn’t embarrassed about his son, then he should be embarrassed about not being embarrassed.


Another boomerang for Obama — Guess who got the most private-equity money in 2008? — So if he is too critical of Romney & Bain he looks more like a hypocrite and risks losing their donations this time.


Will this be enough for the climate lobby?  Doubtful.  Too much money and power is at stake.

Is this finally proof we’re NOT causing global warming? The whole of the Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions, says new study

  • Evidence was found in a rare mineral that records global temperatures
  • Warming was global and NOT limited to Europe
  • Throws doubt on orthodoxies around ‘global warming’

And please don’t be taken in by the “earth hour” silliness.

Earth Hour – it’s the best thing since sliced bread

Earth Hour is yet another way for the disconnected, self-absorbed masses to pretend they’re involved in an issue.

I have written previously on this issue (oddly, that was also a March 31st) and in that discussion observed that the likely cost to the environment to produce candles, t-shirts and all other manner of supporters’ paraphernalia was far in excess of the gains achieved by turning off a couple of light bulbs (but not the TV – how else will they know what everyone else is doing?).


Jimmy Carter’s new study Bible is a train wreck of bad theology.  See Glenn’s analysis here.  A sample, which includes the fallacious argument from silence:

Huffington Post:  A lot of people point to the Bible for reasons why gay people should not be in the church, or accepted in any way.

Carter:  Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born and Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. In all of his teachings about multiple things -– he never said that gay people should be condemned. I personally think it is very fine for gay people to be married in civil ceremonies.  … if a local Baptist church wants to accept gay members on an equal basis, which my church does by the way, then that is fine.
My comment:  Jesus also didn’t mention child abuse, pedophilia, wife beating, bestiality, etc, so I guess he was okay with those?  Christ, being God, had plenty so say about homosexuality in the O.T. and soundly condemned it.  (Notice the behavior is condemned rather than an “orientation.”).  While Christ did indeed address marriage, referring back to Adam and Eve as what marriage was, Carter sanctions same-sex unions, as does his church.

But I will give Jimmy credit for sort of challenging Democrats on abortion.


Trayvon Martin’s death is still a tragedy, and it is still tragic that the media ghouls and fake Christians are using his death to advance their agenda.  If Zimmerman broke the law he should be held accountable.

Quick questions: Does your media describe Zimmerman as an Hispanic Democratic?  Would they have forgotten to mention his party affiliation if it was Republican?  Do they mention his real school record, his Twitter account activity, show more recent pictures of him and show how the media has doctored his hoodie picture?  If so, you should branch out with your media consumption.

And judging without evidence sure worked well for the Duke Lacrosse players, eh?  Read Ann Coulter’s piece for a good perspective.


A good summary of perspectives on the problem of evil.  All philosophies have to address it somehow.  Christianity has the best explanations.


Have conservatives really lost their faith in science, as was recently reported?  Not at all.  We just exercise appropriate skepticism and discernment, especially in two sub-sets of the dozens of branches of science (Darwinism and global climate change).  And we do that with good reasons.  Those two are driven by power, money and materialistic philosophy instead of science .

Actually, almost no one loses their faith in science when it is evidence-based and useful. Who turns down cancer treatments that work?

Rather, people lose their faith in “anything can be true in our multiverse,” “apes think like humans,” “the aliens have just gotta be out there,” “a giant heat wave is engulfing the planet,” “random sorts can produce highly specialized information,” and “my theory explains the origin of life” because – quite honestly – this stuff is not science.

It’s too bad if only identified “conservatives” doubt all the dubious propositions out there. The rest of the crowd will catch up after a while, though. They can’t afford not to.


No wonder many black people don’t like Darwin’s theory


Obama promises Planned Parenthood that he’ll never stop fighting for their choice to kill unwanted human beings.


Good for the Baptists!

I love seeing real churches follow the Bible and reject false teachers like false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way” Currie.

A Southern Baptist retreat center has told a United Church of Christ congregation they’ll no longer be able to rent facilities at the center because the UCC “promotes homosexuality.”

via Baptists “Eject” United Church Of Christ From Retreat Center.

Of course, Chuck plays the usual race card, even though he’s the shameless race-baiter who wants to have taxpayer-funded abortions that he knows will make the 3-to-1 ratio of black abortions to whites go even higher.

Easter eggs, Santa, etc. in churches . . .

I yearn for churches that have enough faith in God to hold the same views about the Bible that He does — and then actually study and apply it carefully.  Then they would see the truth, advance his kingdom and give him glory.  Instead, they use all kinds of tricks to get people into church — as if that is what the early church did.

The “bait and switch” method is un-biblical, but what is worse is that these churches always seem to forget to switch.  That is, they water things down to draw people in then withhold the truth from them.  Pretty soon no one there remembers the truth.

Glenn made good points in The Watchman’s Bagpipes: “Easter” vs Resurrection Day:

I have to address the issue of Easter and Christians.  Some cities are dropping the word “Easter” from their annual egg hunts and other such frivolity, and Christians are in an uproar about the removal of all things “Christian” from such events.

Okay, Christians:  Can you explain to me what all this egg and bunny stuff has to do with the resurrection of our Lord?  The fact that Christians adopted these pagan practices for celebrating on Easter (let alone adopting a fertility goddess’ name for the day) is an affront to the name of Christ to begin with.  So quit belly-aching about anyone dropping the name “Easter” from these pagan celebrations.

In light of this, I find it abhorrent that so many churches sponsor Easter egg hunts and have such programs; again, what do these have to do with the resurrection of Christ, or any Christian doctrine?

I used to think highly of 2nd Baptist in Houston, but last year their Easter billboard was simply their pastor, Ed Young, and the Easter Bunny.  Because they definitely wouldn’t want to mention Jesus . . .

Glenn also had a sadly thorough rundown of recent random apostasies and heresies.

Sojo blog ignores union incivility and more

What a shocker!  The false teaching ghouls who blamed Sarah Palin and TEA Partiers for the Arizona shootings before the bodies were cold have been silent on the union bullying, death threats and violence.  What happened to the passion for civility?  What happened to the charges of racism against TEA Partiers because they were mostly white even though the union protesters are nearly all white?  What hypocrites.

Here’s all I could find on the Sojourners blog — via God in Wisconsin: Scott Walker’s Misguided ‘Obedience’ – Diana Butler Bass

Scott Walker is neither Roman Catholic nor a mainline churchgoer. The son of a Baptist pastor, born in Colorado Springs, the heartland of the Religious Right, Walker is a member of Meadowbrook Church in Wauwatosa, a non-denominational evangelical church. Meadowbrook’s statement of faith, a fairly typical boilerplate of conservative evangelical theology, includes beliefs in biblical inerrancy, sin, exclusive salvation through Christ, and eternal damnation.

Eek!  Biblical views!  Hey, maybe Miss Bass will take the book seriously and become a Christian one day.  She doesn’t believe in sin?  Then how can she criticize anyone for anything?  She doesn’t believe in exclusive salvation through Christ?  Jesus sure did, as did his followers, who noted it over 100 times in the New Testament.

And hey, isn’t it a bad thing to criticize other religions?  And I do mean “other,” because Wallis, Currie et al aren’t preaching true Christianity.  The Sojo blog has many posts boo-hooing the questioning of Islam yet nothing about the Wisconsin unions — other than support for them.  The author thinks it is biblical for us to ask Caesar to do the work of the church.


*False teachers include people like Jim “the Gospel is all about wealth redistribution” Wallis and race-baiting Chuck “Jesus is not the only way” Currie

Church membership in the U.S.

church.jpgYou don’t want to read too much into church growth stats.  False teachers, prosperity preachers and cults can grow and those speaking the truth could shrink if people don’t want the truth.  But if you are doing things well you should probably be growing.

Many denominations are continuing to lose members.  The United Methodist Church dropped by 0.8% in the last year.  Sadly, cults like Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are growing.  They are aggressively evangelical and do more for a lie than most Christians do for the truth.  The last figures I saw were that Mormons send the same number of missionaries out as Methodists do, even though we are 30 times as large. 

It is so important that we become equipped to reach out to people in various world religions.

The biggest drop by far was in the United Church of Christ (Pres. Obama’s denomination), down a full 6%.  Must be the ejector seats.  It is hard to believe that they’d be in decline with “leaders” like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his messages of love and false teachers like unrepentent liar Chuck Currie preaching sermons about the virtues of Charles Darwin (and not mentioning Jesus) and teaching how Jesus is not the only way to salvation.

This is just the U.S., though. The Christian church is growing significantly in many parts of the world.