False teacher Jory Micah made a silly claim about the foundations of the Bible, presumably to prop up her true religion, which is radical feminism. She’s a typical Paul-hater, having done nothing for the kingdom except fight it, whereas Paul suffered nearly nonstop, intense persecution for the faith. And Jory doesn’t even believe what Jesus said.
A thread over at the false gospel-preaching Sojourners Blog had multiple accusations against a commenter about whether Jesus and Paul taught the same Gospel, saying things like:
. . . the question of whether the Gospel according to Paul agrees with the Gospel according to Jesus seem largely ignored.
A commenter there referred to someone quoting Paul as a “Paulian” instead of a “Christian” and a commenter here literally said that “Jesus trumps Paul.” And there have been whole TV shows and analyses about the alleged differences. But is this really the case?
The “Jesus vs. Paul” debate is what is known as a false dichotomy, or a false dilemma. It implies that you have to choose one side or the other, when there are actually other options. Please consider this:
1. Jesus is God. The Bible is the word of God. Therefore, it is all the word of Jesus. The original writings turned out just like He wanted them to, including Paul’s letters. If you don’t like what Paul wrote, then you don’t like what the Holy Spirit wrote.
2. The “red letters” (direct quotes of Jesus sometimes printed in red ink) carry no more authority than any of the other verses, let alone the ~3,000 verses saying, “God said,” “The word of the Lord came to me,” etc.
3. Roughly 10% of the “red letters” quoted the “black letters.” Jesus unapologetically and frequently quoted from the Old Testament, including the most controversial parts such as Adam and Eve, Noah, Jonah and Sodom and Gomorrah.
4. Peter referred to Paul’s writings as scripture, along with a marvelous take-down of those who misunderstand him.
2 Peter 3:15–16 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
5. None of the people making this argument seem to question what Luke wrote in his Gospel, so why do they question what Luke documented about Paul in the book of Acts, including his encounters with Jesus and his acceptance by the other Apostles?
6. Unless you think Paul made up his whole story — which would raise a whole new set of issues — then his claims are just as authoritative as the Gospel writers.
For example, Luke was not a direct follower of Jesus but was a careful historian and under the tutelage of Paul. Mark was not an eye-witness but leveraged Peter for his Gospel. But Paul heard directly from Jesus.
7. Think about how much you know about the concept of grace and where that came from. Do you really want to toss that out?
8. Jesus and Paul don’t disagree. The clear trumps the unclear, but a Gospel writer’s presentation of Jesus’ teachings doesn’t trump Paul’s presentation of Jesus’ teachings.
9. Much of Paul’s writings pre-date the Gospels.
10. If you reject Jesus’ authorized representatives, you reject him. Luke 10:16 “The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
So I don’t think Paul disagrees with what others documented directly and indirectly about Jesus.
Quoting Paul doesn’t make one a “Paulian” instead of a Christian, it just means you are quoting the word of God. Don’t let anyone dismiss your claims because you quote Paul.
Just quote scripture, in context. It’s all good.
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I was just visiting some of these concepts yesterday in the context of Pauline Dispensationalism that argues that Jesus’s gospel and Paul’s gospel were different. Along with all your good points, it is also important to note that Paul refers to his gospel as “the gospel of God” (e.g., Rom 1:1; 15:16) and “the gospel of Christ” (e.g., Rom 15:19; Gal 1:7, etc.) right alongside “my gospel” (e.g., Rom 2:16; 2 Tim 2:8; etc.). That is, Paul’s gospel is God’s gospel and Christ’s gospel — no contradiction.
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133 similarities of Paul’s teaching with Lord Jesus’ in this link:
“Paul’s” letters got added to the canon… how?
By a vote of men.
I am sure Mormons share your argument. That the Book of Mormon is the Word of God because some men voted. And there you have it!
I have noticed there is a great deal of support for voting in doctrine that tells women to subject to men in everything reverencing men as God.
There’s nothing like the promise of a sex slave as “the divine order” to win men’s votes on a canonization council to include such writings as “scripture” is there?
Genesis 1 equal dominion of Eve brushed aside.
Men, “Gimme the submission of a sex slave who subjects to me as God!”
Now that men voted in “Paul’s letters, same men say, “Its the inspired infallible Word of God! Sex slaves! It’s the religion! Worship my penis! Subject to me as God! Submission! Not dominion! For women!”
Oh so predictable.
You sound very bitter and are definitely ill informed. Go here tomorrow or Wednesday and listen to the sermon on Genesis 2 from Sept 20 (it hasn’t posted yet). I really think it will help you. https://christcovenant.org/sermon-archive/
Only men voted for Roe v Wade. I’m sure you lobby to overturn the legalized killing of children in the womb because of that.
I also urge you to consider how you are doing just what you are accusing your opponents of: Distorting what Paul (and the Holy Spirit) said. Consider this passage carefully and note how both the husband and the wife are given the same responsibilities. Have men claiming to be Christian distorted and/ordisobeyed these? Yes, but that isn’t Paul’s fault. And it isn’t Paul’s fault when you misinterpret him, either.
1 Corinthians 7:1–5 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.