Originally posted on Disqus where it got predictable, mostly pro-abortion responses.
First, a little background: I’ve actually asked the title question for many years, but a commenter on a Disqus Religion thread thought she’d play a “gotcha” and asked me the same thing. She even pre-gloated by assuming I’d try to evade the question:
“What if the baby in the womb was destined (hard-wired) to be gay. (And “not possible” is not a valid argument. Hard-wiring is real, e.g., left-handedness, eye color, etc.) Does that fetus have any worth? If so, why? If not, why not? Simple question. Please check all dancing shoes at the door. ;)”
Guess who was doing the dancing after I quickly and clearly told her I would choose life for the “gay” child? I also pointed out that if her hypothetical came true that most parents – even the pro-LGBTQX kind — would choose abortion, just like they abort the majority of children with Down Syndrome or any other suspected disability.
And yes, of course I oppose all abortions except the extremely rare cases where they save the life of the mother. But I’ll take whatever exceptions I can get because every life counts. The real burden of this question is on the pro-LGBTQX / pro-abortion people (and yes, it is pro-abortion if you want taxpayers to fund them so there can be more).
So this conservative, Bible-believing Christian firmly and unequivocally says: No, of course not! The unborn are human beings from fertilization (scientific fact – check out any of those pesky mainstream embryology textbooks — human embryo ==> human fetus ==> human baby ==> human toddler ==> etc. Same human being at different stages of development) and are deserving of life regardless of their tendencies towards certain sins. We are all sinners in need of a Savior (and thank God for that wonderful Savior!). Anyone who comes to God on his indescribably gracious terms will be loved and forgiven by him. How dare we kill innocent people made in his image, regardless of whether they are in the womb or not?
Interestingly, every conservative, Bible-believing Christian I’ve posed that question to has said the same thing: No, don’t abort them (and I’ll be surprised and disappointed if any have alternate views here). Isn’t that odd for a group that allegedly hates gays?
But it gets better – by which I mean, much worse: Every pro-choice/pro-LGBTQX person I’ve posed the question to has always said they’d favor abortion rights! If you agree with Jesus that homosexual behavior is a sin then the Leftists call you a hater and worse, while they are actively preserving the [hypothetical] right to kill gays up to their first breath*.
So to recap my experience:
– Conservative, Bible-believing Christians say not to kill [hypothetically] gay people regardless of location
– Leftists – including “Christian” Leftists — approve of killing [hypothetically] gay children up to their first breath
I hope the Leftist commenters here prove me wrong and say why they’d oppose abortions for those children. But my guess is that most of them will be smart enough to think 5 seconds into the future and anticipate the next question: If you think it is wrong to kill “gay” children in the womb, why is it OK to kill “straight” children? It is sort of like how the feminists get tied in knots over gender-selection abortions, nearly all of which, in the ultimate misogyny, kill females for the sole reason that they are female. The feminists surely don’t like those abortions but they love the overall concept of abortion more than the lives of countless female victims. And it is like the supposedly pro-black Leftists who conveniently ignore that abortion kills blacks at a rate over three times that of whites — and how that will go higher when they get their dream of full taxpayer-funding for abortions. And yet they’ll say pro-lifers are the racists . . .
OK folks, on to our dilemma of the day: What do you love more, gays or abortion? That is, should it be legal to kill [hypothetically] gay children up to their first breath?
Bonus question for those choosing abortion rights over gay rights: Will it make it harder for you to pretend that conservative, Bible-believing Christians hate gays when you think it should be legal to kill them in the womb but they think it should be illegal? I mean, if killing someone isn’t hateful then what is? Do you still think it is fair to use the petty and fallacious “homophobe” personal attack if you would accept killing gays in the womb while Christians oppose it?
*The “Christian” Left is far more extreme in their pro-abortion agenda than the average pro-choice person, as they agree with Democrats’ platform of unrestricted, taxpayer-funded abortions – even “partial-birth abortion” (aka infanticide). They insist that life begins at the first breath and that Jesus is fine with killing unwanted children until that point. I realize how ridiculous their views sound and how many people must think I’m making a straw-man argument. But that is just because their own words are so clear and extreme: “According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.” More here about how to respond, with full, in-context quotes from them.
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Since no one is born “hard-wired gay,” the question is actually illogical. It’s like asking, “What if your circle is a triangle and you hate triangles?”
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Glad you pointed this out, Glenn. The question is of the ugliest types of setups. Eternity matters handled it as best it could be in the current anti-free speech climate.
Whether Christian, conservative, liberal, or LGBTQX (somebody, please find a better acronym),I don’t think any group, if they knew that a child is going to be gay, is more inclined to want to abort. That is a straw man.
No straw. Clearly labeled as hypothetical. As noted above, a pro-abort tried it on me and failed.
All reasons – except the extremely rare case to save the life of the mother – are wicked reasons to abort. That said, people abort for Down Syndrome, club feet, cleft palate, gender, etc. Many would definitely abort for predispositions to sexual perversions.
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Where did you get the idea that leftists or Legbuttox’s would want to abort a gay fetus more than any other group. It sounds contrary to their agenda.
The pro-choice crowd, a wicked pseudonym if there ever was one, will always choose death for any reason over life. That is who they are unless, God willing, they are turned from their madness. They cannot abide the thought that killing the unborn should not be an option so they defend it under all circumstances or conditions.
Have you ever heard them say “I believe that abortion is OK except when….?” Not likely.
Unless, of course, it’s because the mother chooses not to. That decision trumps all rule and authority.
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The “hardwired” aspect of the question has never made sense to me. I don’t need to show that no one can be “born that way” because “born that way” is not a valid rationalization for sin, and everyone chooses what they DO. If “born that way” were to be proved out as a reality (it hasn’t), I’d still point out that I’m “born heterosexual” AND I still need to choose to be faithful to my wife.
As for the so-called “gotcha” question, why is it required from that end of the spectrum that we ignore God in their questions? If such a “hardwired” person was born, why can’t God save them, too? To turn it around, if God has done what He has done IN ME, I’d say that every so-called “gay-born child” ought to have the same opportunity to meet Christ that I had.
I remember this coming up several years ago when it was put forth (by the LGBQTLMNOPXYZ community) that homosexuality is genetic. Several pundits said that a simple DNA test of the fetus will show if the baby will be born gay or not and abortion will eliminate homosexuality in a single generation. In response the LGBQTLMNOPXYZ community immediately went back to saying that homosexuality is a “life style choice”
While we are not hard-wired to behave in a certain way, i.e. lie, steal, be sexually promiscuous, etc., we are sinners from birth. We sin. Our sinning takes different forms and is expressed in different degrees. Left to ourselves we would degrade into a most depraved state. Only by God’s grace can we be delivered.
The homosexual claims he was born that way. Actually, he was born a sinner and his sinful nature now manifests as homosexuality. The Bible makes it clear that being a sinner by nature is no excuse for not living righteously. If anything, it implores us all to recognize our deplorable state and turn to God, through Christ, for forgiveness. Only then can we ever have the power to turn from sinning, including homosexuality, and to live for God.