And for anyone else who wants an abortion, for that matter. Despite their vapid “stay out of my uteri” sound bite she and her pro-abortion cronies really want you involved in them. Source: Sandra Fluke: “Next Fight” for Abortion Activists is Forcing Americans to Pay for Abortions
FLUKE: Well, I’m so glad you asked because this is a huge victory for the women of Texas and so many states that were really suffering under these trapped laws. But we have an ongoing fight in many states, especially around a affordability. This is about making the right to reproductive access a reality in practice, not just on paper. And if you can’t afford to exercise this right, it’s really not as meaningful to you. So for women who are in the military, women who receive medicaid, and even women who live in states where they can’t afford or are not allowed to buy insurance that covers abortion on their state exchanges, they have major barriers to access. And that’s our next fight.
Please let me translate: “Hi, I’m Sandra Fluke. Sure, I could afford $50,000 per year for law school, but I slept around so much that I couldn’t afford condoms. And the guys I slept with (they weren’t committed enough to me to call them “boyfriends”) didn’t value me enough to pay for them. So it is the responsibility of society to pay! And if the birth control fails, or I’m just too irresponsible to use it properly, then society needs to pay to have my child killed. Because reproductive rights (uh, please ignore the fact that if I’m killing my child I have obviously already exercised my right to reproduce). P.S. I have no idea why people call us “pro-abortion” and not pro-choice . . . I mean, just because we don’t want taxpayers to be able to choose whether they pay for more abortions . . . ”
The “Christian” Left agrees with her and thinks we should all have to pay for anyone wanting to kill their child up to her first breath. Behold their god:
Eternity Matters 
I just wanted to say that your post loses readers respect when your argument becomes a personal attack and is ill informed.
If you have a position, it would be much better received if it was a well informed and thoughtfully written.
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Uh, thanks Miss Manners, but if you think this post is bad but crushing and dismembering your children without anesthetic isn’t, then I really don’t care.
My premise was very well informed, I was just having fun with it. Fluke et al explicitly want to force us to pay for their birth control and to kill their children (because they and their partners apparently can’t afford either), because they spent their money on tattoos and intoxicants.
If you share her views, then no amount of “thoughtful” writing will penetrate your seared conscience.
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I didn’t make any comments about your position on the subject, and also didn’t make any statements about what mine are.
I was only trying to give you some feedback on your post.
I’m also not sure why you felt the need to attack me for being respectful and well-mannered, I didn’t realize that that could be seen as a bad thing.
I hope you continue to write and voice your opinion and grow in your writing.
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Neil is always well-informed when he writes his articles, and they are always thoughtfully written. You apparently haven’t visited this blog much.
His “personal attack” is on the entire mindset of people like Fluke, and it is right on the money.
I took a quick gander at your blog and read this:
We need to live in a world where we are making decisions based on facts, science and our best judgement, not our feelings, because those are intangible things. We are all individuals with different life experiences and values, but those shouldn’t be forced upon others.
It is people like you and Fluke who rely on feelings, because the facts – the science – shows that what is aborted is a 100% bonafide human being. As for things being “force upon others,” it is Fluke and her ilk who want the rest of us to pay for their birth control and their abortions. It is Fluke and her ilk who force their beliefs on the children they murder.
We don’t force our beliefs upon others when we simply ask them to pay for their own birth control and abortions.
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I don’t think the post was well-informed when he is making comments regarding a persons sexual history, of which he has no insight. And it he did mean it towards women who have abortions in general, I think it was a flagrant disregard of the feelings that you are deeming to be so important.
The post seemed to be written hastily in anger, as evidenced by the poor grammar and missing words. I think his point would have been much better depicted if he had more carefully expressed himself.
I think it’s easier for men, I’m trying to be honest not sexist, to not understand about things like failed contraception. A woman can take precautions and still end up pregnant. She can be the victim of incest or of sexual violence. She can make a mistake. Thinking that all abortions come about because women are promiscuous or irresponsible is a fallacy, and a position that is factually wrong.
As an aside, I don’t think that anyone who thinks intelligently about abortion ignores the fact that it is about an unborn baby.
Also, society needs to be there for the health and welfare of everyone. This includes people on disability, people on food stamps and welfare and people who need rely on publicly funded medical interventions.
As a society we pay taxes for all these things as well as for infrastructure etc. We pay for them whether or not we use them. Just because you don’t drive doesn’t mean you don’t pay for taxes for roads and just because you don’t have kids doesn’t mean you don’t pay for schools. You don’t pick and choose, we need to help each other, not judge each other.
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First, I must say I appreciate your tone.
Sorry for the missed words and such! I concede that I could use an editor.
“As an aside, I don’t think that anyone who thinks intelligently about abortion ignores the fact that it is about an unborn baby.”
I wish you were right, but I come across lots of people daily who say the opposite. Just read what the “Christian” Left says: http://tinyurl.com/proabortleft
Re. rape & incest — here’s my standard reply to that: I’m glad you brought up the topic of rape and incest. Those are terrible crimes that we should seek to prevent, and we should ensure that the victims aren’t further victimized and that there is justice for the rapists. If you propose the death penalty for the rapist I’d consider that, but why is it the first option for the innocent child? It is a scientific fact that the unborn are human beings from fertilization.
Abortionists like Planned Parenthood help hide the crimes. They have been caught countless times hiding statutory rape, incest (which is another form of rape) and sex trafficking. If you really care about rape, then protest Planned Parenthood and how they systematically hide statutory rape and sex trafficking. http://www.childpredators.com/tape/
https://1eternitymatters.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/planned-parenthood-still-hiding-statutory-rape/
Rapes results in less than 1% of abortions. Those abortions are still wrong, but for the record, would you oppose outlawing all abortions, except those in the cases of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother? If not, then why not admit that you are really just pro-abortion and you use the rape card to advance your cause? Do not exploit rape victims to justify abortion. https://1eternitymatters.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/planned-parenthood-overview/
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/02/27/serial-child-rapist-arrested-after-using-abortion-to-cover-his-crimes/
Unless you can look at an ultrasound and tell if a child was the product of rape or incest, then you shouldn’t let them be killed.
Abortion doesn’t undo the trauma of rape, it compounds it. It is another way of a stronger person abusing a weaker person.
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I think if it’s the woman’s choice, then I don’t think it’s the rapists way of abusing them.
That’s why I said “intelligently”, there are plenty of people on both sides who don’t address these matters in that way and your post came across as such and that’s clearly not what you were hoping for.
I don’t think that they “hide” anything, but they are a safe haven for women and girls who have already been traumatized and they don’t want to compound that further. Most medical professionals are not required to report crimes unless there is child abuse involved and they also need to have a willing participant in the reporting process. I’m not saying that the crimes aren’t terrible and that they shouldn’t be reported, but that’s not the purpose of planned parenthood, that’s for police to handle and I wish things were at a place in this world where crimes of this nature were addressed properly.
I don’t oppose a pro-life stance or a pro-abortion stance, I support pro-choice. That every woman is the best judge of her heart and mind and situation and that she is the only “expert” about her own life and therefore she is qualified to make decisions that have life altering consequences attached to them.
I think sometime it gets forgotten that there was supposed to be a separation of church and state. That you are allowed to hold whatever religious or moral views you like, but the state is there to base its laws and regulations on the needs of the people, science, safety and evidence. Abortion is an extremely safe procedure, therefore the government has determined that it is safe to perform these procedures, just like plastic surgery or colonoscopies or childbirth itself.
You don’t have to agree, but I think it’s pertinent that everyone understand the basis on which decisions are made and enforced.
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“I think if it’s the woman’s choice, then I don’t think it’s the rapists way of abusing them.”
Yes it is, because he put them in a position to feel like their best “choice” was to kill their children.
“That’s why I said “intelligently”, there are plenty of people on both sides who don’t address these matters in that way and your post came across as such and that’s clearly not what you were hoping for. “
Yeah, you don’t like my writing. Duly noted. Don’t come back then. I wasn’t setting out to win you over.
“I don’t think that they “hide” anything, but they are a safe haven for women and girls who have already been traumatized and they don’t want to compound that further.”
If you watched the videos and listened to the audios or read the transcripts, then you are either an idiot or a pro-abortion tool. If you didn’t watch/listen, you should.
“Most medical professionals are not required to report crimes unless there is child abuse involved and they also need to have a willing participant in the reporting process. I’m not saying that the crimes aren’t terrible and that they shouldn’t be reported, but that’s not the purpose of planned parenthood, that’s for police to handle and I wish things were at a place in this world where crimes of this nature were addressed properly.”
Point of fact: They ARE required to report them. I was on the board of a crisis pregnancy center for 6 years and a volunteer for 6 more. We followed the law and reported those rapes. Planned Parenthood cares about killing and making money, not about women and children.
“I don’t oppose a pro-life stance or a pro-abortion stance, I support pro-choice. That every woman is the best judge of her heart and mind and situation and that she is the only “expert” about her own life and therefore she is qualified to make decisions that have life altering consequences attached to them.”
Yeah, that’s what I figured. But you don’t get to take the weasel option. “Pro-choice” = pro-abortion, just anyone saying they wanted slavery to be legal would rightly be called pro-slavery regardless of whether they owned slaves.
“I think sometime it gets forgotten that there was supposed to be a separation of church and state. That you are allowed to hold whatever religious or moral views you like, but the state is there to base its laws and regulations on the needs of the people, science, safety and evidence.”
Please show me one place in recorded history, including anywhere on the Internet, where you used the same reasoning to silence the “Christian” Left. After all, they attempt to “force” their religious views on us at every turn: They insist that Jesus is so pro-abortion that it must be legal to kill the child up to her first breath, that you have to petition the government to redistribute wealth by force, that you must teach 5 yr. old children how great the gay lifestyle is and how they might not “really” be their biological gender, that Jesus is against capital punishment, that you can’t control your borders, that you can’t go to war to protect your country, etc. They are loud and proud about “forcing” their religious views on the populace, so why don’t you apply your beliefs to them?
Do NOT comment here again unless you have evidence for using your “separation” argument against the “Christian” Left. It won’t see the light of day. And if you can’t, we’ll all know what a phony you are.
“Abortion is an extremely safe procedure”
Not for the children it kills – http://tinyurl.com/yzjq4lv http://www.advocatesoflife.com/graphicabortionimages.htm And thanks to the Supreme Court, it is now less safe for the mothers, because they love abortion more than they love women.
I take back what I said about your tone. You are just a passive-aggressive pro-abortion ghoul.
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So, if a woman has a choice to abort the child conceived through rape, that means the rapist didn’t abuse them?!?!
I only see the LEFT not addressing the issue intelligently — they only address the issue through feelings. Intelligently addressing abortion would accept that it is murdering the unborn.
Neil thoroughly addressed your nonsensical statement about not hiding things.
You support “pro-choice,” meaning you support abortion. That is the only choice other than giving birth, and to be pro-choice says abortion is okay with you. The women making the choice to abort are selfish, and could care less about the child being killed not having a choice.
Abortion isn’t even an issue of “separation of church and state.” It’s a simple issue of whether or not a life is killed with abortion. Science and medicine says a life is killed — the baby is murdered during abortion. How in the world does this become a “church and state” issue? Are laws against murder a “separation of church and state” issue?!? That is one of the most foolish statements I’ve heard on this topic.
Science says abortion kills a child. There is nothing safe to the child about abortion, and abortion is rarely safe for the mother (read the stats about how many women died from abortions, how many are permanently damaged and can never have children when they want them, the psychological damage, etc). The government has NOT determined abortion is safe — they only determined that they are legal. Just like they determined slavery was legal.
We understand the basis on which abortion decisions are made — selfish, “all about me” attitudes. Hedonism. Irresponsible sexual behavior bailouts.
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Try again: You fallaciously used the “separation” claim but ignored how “Christians” on the Left support all the things that Leftists adore: Child-murder in the womb, gun-grabbing, teaching LGBTQX perversions to kids, etc.
So if you really care about “separation” then show me anywhere you’ve tried to silence their views. Otherwise you are just another tool using that bad argument to silence your ideological foes.
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The post was certainly well informed — it used Fluke’s own words against her! And certainly not written in anger — I know Neil better than that. And as for missing words, etc, I have that happen to me all the time; it happens when writing articles and not reviewing prior to posting because you assume that you didn’t make any mistakes! I’ve had to edit MANY of my articles after posting them. Not due to haste, just human error. But thanks for making hasty judgments based on YOUR lack of information.
The problem with your ideology is that you think sexual activity is just another form of entertainment, simply for selfish pleasure, without regard to the consequences. The only 100% non-failing contraception is abstinence. Women don’t have to have sex with men — really! But if they have sex, they have to accept the consequences of their immoral behavior and not expect everyone else to pay for their irresponsibility.
Abortions due to incest or rape are extremely rare, but that doesn’t make them right. It is still a human being; you don’t punish one person for the crimes of another. The vast majority of abortions are for convenience of taking care of the “problem” resulting from irresponsible sexual activity.
Society should be there to assist REAL needs, and abortion is not a need, let alone a medical “intervention” need. And that goes for contraception. EVERYONE can afford contraception – it’s called keeping your pants up.
We pay taxes for those things the Constitution authorizes us to pay taxes for, whether it be the Federal or State constitutions. The problem is that the legislatures go well beyond any constitutional authorization and declare virtually every “want” to be a “need.”
The LEFT keeps telling us to get out of their bedrooms, but want us to pay for the consequences of what happens in said bedroom.
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Even the most wicked of ideas can be artfully portrayed by a skilled writer. Such a writer could avoid invectives, use deft arguments and display eminent intelligence while doing so. But the ideas would still be wicked. On the other hand, the clumsy, artless clout with minimal writing skills who portrays the truth might fail in eloquence but the ideas will still be the truth.
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