The National Council of Churches and other false teachers want to control your guns, and they do it under the guise of their religion. See Want Guns In Your Church? The NRA And Their Allies Do for a recent example of their flawed thinking.
Like the National Council of Churches, I maintain that: “Present-day violence is made far worse than it otherwise would be by the prevalence of weapons on our streets.”
That statement is true but meaningless: Yes, if all weapons were taken away, including knives, fists, etc. then there would be less violence.
But I’ve noticed that people who are willing to steal and kill don’t change their behavior because you tell them they aren’t allowed to have guns. They get them anyway — sometimes straight from the U.S. Government! (See the Fast and Furious scandal.)
We need sensible gun control measures in our nation to protect the American people from gun violence, a public health crisis.
It is sadly ironic that they consider gun violence a health crisis but are pro-abortion, including pro-taxpayer-funded abortion.
The NRA and their politicans in Congress want to expand the “rights” of gun owners so that they can carry weapons into churches and school yards across the nation.
These false teachers are apparently too busy apologizing to Muslims to follow the news about how Christians are getting killed around the world, including violence in their own churches. If someone wanted to kill Christians, what better place than a church on Sunday morning? Are the killers going to care if there is a law against taking guns into churches? I would be glad to have people armed and ready to defend the congregation.
Today The New York Times reports on the violence that has been caused by their victories at the state and local level. People of faith and mayors are fighting back against the NRA. As we approach the one year anniversary of the Tucson shootings it is time to double our efforts to stop gun violence in the United States.
The NYT article was purely speculative and ignored how overturning gun control laws has reduced crime.
This is classically bad reasoning by the false teachers. They claim to want to change people but consciously avoid sharing the real Gospel, which is the only biblical way to truly change hearts and minds. Of course you can count the people who get hurt by guns, but what they fail to consider is the law of unintended consequences: What happens when criminals know the victims are unarmed? Does that reduce or increase crime? How about the lives saved because of people who could defend themselves? And so on.
Eternity Matters 
Neil, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of this. An example of something that could have been even worse had one member of the congregation not returned fire.
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Hi Micky — thanks, I hadn’t seen that. That is just what I was thinking of. The Utopians never cite those examples and consider the lives saved. They pretend that with their laws the bad guys will give up their guns.
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Here’s a link to an Instapundit story that thoroughly refutes Chuck’s sniveling. It is amazing that, in his world, criminals and Muslims get a free pass while everyday citizens are condemned and ostracized. It’s especially bad for law-abiding Christian gun owners. As far as Chuck is concerned, we’re the evil ones.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/134265/
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Great link, thanks! Yes, Chuck is too busy being a good little Dhimmi to acknowledge the non-stop violence of “radical” Muslims.
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I think banning guns in churches is a great idea and will absolutely prevent acts of violence. Look no further than the enormous success of banning guns on campus preventing shootings…oh, wait…
I am amazed how the “reality based community” ignores that:
(1) Violent crime has dropped everywhere concealed carry is allowed.
(2) People committing mass shootings specifically target gun free zones such as campuses where the victims have no means to defend themselves.
(3) People who want to commit murder generally are not deterred by the criminal consequences of ignoring a ban on guns.
Bonus points to Chuck for the line “The NRA and their politicans in Congress want to expand the “rights” of gun owners so that they can carry weapons into churches and school yards across the nation.”. No Chuck, the NRA wants to PROTECT the right to keep and bear arms. They are fighting restrictions on that right. For further understanding of that right Chuck, please read the Constitution.Unlike “right” to gay marriage, the right to keep and bear arms is specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
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Chuck never gets anything else right, so how can we expect him to come up with the right response on any use of firearms?!?
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What kind of would Jesus own or wear? And thus by extension who would Jesus bomb?
A 38 Magnum, a Glock semi-automatic, or perhaps a sawed off shotgun? My father used to own a 5 shot semi-automatic Browning shot gun.
Would Jesus belong to or support the NRA?
Would Jesus have supported the war against the people of Iraq?
Would Jesus support the obviously never-ending so called war against terror?
At what age do you think that Jesus would recommend that a child be given his or her first gun? And thus be introduced to the “culture” of guns.
A society or “culture” that relies on wide-spread gun ownership to “keep the peace” is already effectively ruled by the anti-ethic of the war of all against all and is thus on the brink of total disintegration.
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Hi John,
I think you are creating false scenarios. How about asking if Jesus would oppose people defending the weak? Also, what about citizens who aren’t Christians? And would Jesus ignore statistics that show that relaxing gun controls reduces crime?
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Hi John,
I have some equally meaningless questions back at ya:
How many Jews would Jesus expect to die before He would support stopping Hitler?
Would Jesus belong to or support Planned Parenthood?
How many laws would Jesus believe are required to make a society successful and how would such laws be enforced?
If Jesus was the jury of man accused of shooting someone who had a killed two adults and turned the gun toward killing a baby, would Jesus condemn or acquit that person who killed the man that was going to shoot the baby?
Asking meaningless questions about what guns Jesus would own or if He would support the NRA sidesteps the truth that we live in a fallen world where some people exercise their free will to choose to do evil things. Others exercise their free will to choose to stop them. God calls the first group “sinners” and the second group “sinners”. I somehow think Jesus came to save us all regardless of our position on the NRA. I believe Jesus really does not care what guns we may choose to carry. He cares about what is in our hearts and not our holsters.
This is a discussion about gun rights under our system of government.The true question to be answered is what is the best of the imperfect solutions? Evil exists. Tyranny exists. The writers of the Constitution specifically called out the right to keep and bear arms to help protect against tyranny and evil. If you wish to replace that with another system, please stop asking meaningless questions and instead providing answers as to what should be replaced and with what? It is much harder providing answers than asking questions. Why not stretch and give it a try. How would you propose we (individuals and governments) deal with violence and tyranny instead without using weapons?
Cheers,
LoneStarJeffe
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guns in churches? are you serious? my god, is there no place that i can go in peace?
if you are going that far, lets go all the way, do without those stupid metal detectors and allow guns at airports and on airplanes, in congress, in the court house, in jail (just for visitors) and lets not forget the daycare and football games.
i know i would feel a lot safer going to three rivers wearing my browns hat and carrying my 38. one derogatory remark from a stinkin steelers fan and i’d blow them away.
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Hi John — I don’t follow your comment. Are you saying that by making it legal to have concealed weapons in church that there will automatically be gunfights disturbing your worship?
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no, i’m saying having guns in church would make me nervous and is completely and totally contradicts christian morals and values.
receiving communion from a priest with an uzi and saying “peace” to the guy next to me with a shot gun just incomprehensible.
i’m surprised that you see nothing wrong with that scenario… but i guess if the republicans support it, you will follow.
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How does protecting people from a killer qualify as contradicting Christian morals?
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what killer are you talking about and is that really one of your fears? if someone is bound and determined to kill another, no one is going to stop him. and if he is going to kill me in church, well then i just might get to heaven a little sooner.
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John, I never implied that this was an all-day, every day occurrence, just a reasonable hypothetical. Whether it is a college, Ft. Hood, a church, etc., bad guys may show up with guns. If they know others may have guns there, they will be less likely to act. If they act anyway, those with guns will dramatically reduce the amount of casualties. This is simple logic, and it has proved to reduce crime.
How do you plan to go to Heaven? When did you repent and believe?
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a more reasonable hypothetical would be someone having a heart attack in church. why not promote defibrillators in all churches? it might be a more productive use of your (and my ) time.
and if a law is passed to allow guns in church, how many churches do you think would post a sign saying “please leave all firearms at home, this is a place of worship”?
…”those with guns will dramatically reduce the amount of casualties.” should we arm teachers to prevent another columbine? maybe mandate that all 16 year old students carry a gun?
i’ve got a unique idea. how about we enact some laws to prevent lunatics from getting a gun? i thought there was a waiting period but i guess i was wrong. the sob that shot gabbie giffords and killed the little girl and injured a score of others should never have been able to get a gun. period.
we are supposed to be a civilized society, but i think we have a long way to go.
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That’s a false dichotomy. Why not do both? My last church had a defibrillator and they had to use it once. Not sure if my current one does. I just keep my iPhone in my pocket and set it to vibrate and treat it as a defibrillator app.
Who cares?
This will come as a big shock to the Obama-loving utopia crowd, but sometimes people break the law. Seriously.
I agree that we are supposed to be that, but I know why we aren’t: Original sin. If you really want to improve society, then repent and believe and encourage others to do the same.
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can’t stop laughing. thanks!
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P.S. Happy new year!
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And do you think the bad buys will obey your laws?
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is that the best you’ve got?
hopefully all the bad guys are in church getting saved…not killing each other. i don’t think they bring whiskey to an AA meeting. and when did they become “my” laws?
i will pray for you Neil. i think the devil is leading you down the wrong path.
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