Mormons: Still nice neighbors. Still not Christians.

Since Mormonism is back in the news I thought I’d share the post below.  The “still not Christians” part of the title is sure to offend, but words mean things.  Short version: The Mormon Jesus is not the same as the Christian Jesus, so we don’t have the same religion.

They come to my door trying to convert me because they think I have the wrong religion.  But that doesn’t offend me.  I know we’re different.  I would expect anyone who thinks they have the proper view of God, salvation and the world to want to persuade others to their way of thinking (and shame on Christians who have no such desire to do that, whether by doing it themselves or supporting others who do so).

Also see Mormonism 101 for a terrific overview of that religion.  It doesn’t say why they are wrong and Christianity is right, it just gives a thorough and accurate history and overview of Mormonism — thus highlighting why Mormonism is not just another Christian denomination.

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A Mormon on a now-defunct blog wrote the following after I pointed out how it is frustrating for them to play the “We’re Christians, too” card while simultaneously trying to save us via their worldview.  I really appreciated his candor, especially in contrast to the kind of responses I got on Part I.

I can see that we do double speak, trying to stand on both sides of the line and often feint ignorance until called out. I found my self doing it with that last post. I almost took the polyandry references out because I wanted to protect other LDS readers who I know are following this conversation. I realize that I have this knowledge and my tendency is to hide it from less informed members of my faith. Ultimately I decided to leave it in and that is in large part due to reading your criticisms in other places and not wanting to be apart of this legitimate frustration.

I fully understand that as a Mormon, I am dishonest if I try to make our doctrines sound the same as yours so that we can get along better. They are different and I know that. When bloggers say, “Billy Mormon would never talk bad about your beliefs” it is just silly. By definition, our church proclaims that yours is wrong. We send out missionaries to say other churches are wrong, come be baptized here instead. I saw these types of comments and I recognize them for what they are.

What he wrote was the opposite of what many Mormons have said on this blog and elsewhere.  I realize that not all Christians agree on every topic and not all Mormons agree on every topic, but what he addressed was obviously related to the essentials of their faith.  So if Mormons don’t agree with him then one of you isn’t a Mormon (or at least one of you isn’t well educated in your faith).

Again, kudos to him for his honesty.  That goes a long way towards having productive dialogues.  It doesn’t bother me if people disagree with me, but I don’t like to waste time with folks who insist that they agree and disagree with me at the same time on the same subject.

P.S. I think this is one of the items we were discussing at the time:

Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 150: “When our father Adam came to the garden of Eden he came into it with a celestial body, and he brought eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world.

He is Michael, the archangel the ancient of days, about whom holy men have written and spoken he is our father and our god and the only god with whom we have to do.”

Those are irreconcilable differences in who God is and how the world works. Different God. Different creation narrative. Adam = God and Michael ??!! You can’t even get out of Genesis 1 without seeing the clear differences, let alone John 1 or countless other passages.

19 thoughts on “Mormons: Still nice neighbors. Still not Christians.”

  1. Didn’t Smith say that all “other” Christian denominations were apostate and that the LDS was the only true representation of christianity?

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      1. Despite what I think about the Mormon belief system from a theological viewpoint, I could vote for Romney against P-BO in a heartbeat. Which is worse a devout Mormom, or a “Christian” who hasn’t been able to find a place to worship in 3 years?

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  2. It’s really is hard for people to accept that someone’s faith and beliefs are antithetical to Christianity when they are just so nice! Keep up the good work. Perhaps they will begin to see that even though they seem nice to us, that doesn’t mean they are headed for heaven.

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      1. Worse than that, all who don’t trust in the real Jesus for the salvation are headed to Hell. That’s why we work to share the truth of the Gospel wherever we can: God adopts, completely forgives and eternally blesses everyone who repents and trusts in Jesus.

        But it has to be the real Jesus, not the Jesus of Mormonism.

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      2. amen! the truth is offesive but its the truth noe the less. To preach any other way would be to dumb down the gospel which is condemned in the scriptures!!

        Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO MAN come to the Father but BY ME. John 14:6

        Any other Jesus then the one of the scriptures is a fake with no saving power at all…..

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      3. Matthew 7:22-23
        22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

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  3. In spite of that I know a lot about Fundamental Christianity, that they believe that non- Christians and anyone who reject Jesus will go to the Hell. But I had heard a story about the Testimony of the old Buddhist Monk in Korea, This is the letter from the unknown person somewhere in Asia, He wrote, So I came across this story today and I honestly don’t know what to think of it. I find it interesting because it really gives you an idea of how people raised outside the influence of Christianity view it, which the Vast majority of Western people cannot claim. Anyone in any Western Country will have some sort of experience with Christianity. Anyways…… There was a Famous Buddhist Monk in Korea who died recently. Now as I’ve said here a billion times before, many ( not all) of the evangelist Christians here are extremely aggressive and extremely anti-Buddhist. So Buddhist Temples/ Monks get verbally attacked commonly and physically attacked now and again. So anyways this Monk made a speech a while back where he was relating how he was told he was going to Hell many times because he was a Buddhist. Anyways, he was an old Monk and he didn’t actually know anything about Christianity so he didn’t know what Hell was. So he started doing research and this is how he put his discovery. He was shocked, he had no idea what these people were really saying to him before. He didn’t know what hell was. So he decided to go and talk to a Pastor in a Church and the conversation went as follows; ( Translated from Korean ), ” I don’t understand your God, because he’s so jealous, your God said if people don’t believe in him then he will send people to the Hell. I am willing to go down to the Hell and to try to help people who dumped to the Hell since they did not believe in GOD.” So basically he said he wanted to go to Hell to help the people there. I find it very interesting to see this perspective. Please take note, it is difficult for him to write in perfect English. Please respond to me with respect. I am not asking Christians to be Buddhists.

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    1. Hi,

      Here is how I would respond to the Buddhist: Anyone who goes to Hell will do so as punishment for his sins. If he had trusted in Jesus for his salvation, then his sins would have been forgiven.

      The Buddhist had a misunderstanding of what Hell is like. We don’t know the exact properties, but there is no indication that you will socialize and try to help others. As Romans 1 notes, everyone knows there is a God but they suppress the truth in unrighteousness, so they are without excuse.

      Romans 1:18–20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

      I hope that helps. Please feel free to write back.

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    1. Kas, anyone who is a Christian has found the real Jesus. I mean, of course, people who have repented of their sins and put their trust in Jesus Christ as revealed in God’s Word, the Bible. There are plenty of people who call themselves Christian, but have no idea what that really means.

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    1. You should. Please read the Bible, then read it again and again. Eternity is a mighty long time to hold onto false and prideful beliefs.

      Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

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      1. OK, If I happens to meet Buddhists I will tell them about Jesus and I will ask them to read the Bible and maybe they will repent and to be converted.

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  4. Kas, You must do what you can to warn the Buddhists, that those Buddhists must be aware that if they reject Jesus, and if they to choose Buddha instead of Jesus, if they choose both Jesus and Buddha , they will go to Hell. I know that God does not want me to go Hell and that is why he gives me his son, Jesus. But Satan had tried everything to stop me to have Jesus.

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