Should we ban all religions? Gee, can’t think of any downsides to that plan.

See 2 ad agencies compete to make a better ad for the end of all religion.

What a broad collection of poor-thinking people.  It was a logical fallacy-fest, mostly serial question begging.

They didn’t bother to explain how they would enforce a ban on religion.  I’ll fill in the blanks.  Their premise is simple, inevitable and stupid: “All violence is caused by religion, so let’s use violence to ban religion.”  How else will they ban it?  Just ask politely?  Just research Communist countries to see how it is done.

They ignored the benefits of Christianity.  I see very few hospitals and charities founded by atheists and lots done by Bible-believing Christians.

People rationalize all sorts of evil with religion, but Bible-believing Christians stopped the slave trade.  Yes, people misused the Bible to rationalize slavery, but you don’t judge an ideology by those who violate its tenets.

They are ignorant of the claims of Christianity.  We have a lot of evidence for the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.

And they ignore a foundational error of their atheistic thinking: While mocking religion for being fairy tales, they assume without evidence that the universe came into being from nothing and that life came from non-life.   They have zero evidence for that.  And even if Darwinian evolution was true, it would be 100.00% responsible for all religious beliefs.  So why are they so mad about religion?  And don’t get me started about their multiverse fairy tale.

They blame religion for everything, as if religion was the cause of abortions, all wars, the Holocaust, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, thefts, child abuse, rape, drug abuse, traffic accidents, adultery, corporate fraud, cancer, hangnails and every other evil known to humanity.

If you follow the biblical guidelines for sex and marriage your odds of getting STDs or out-of-wedlock pregnancies are almost zero.  Your odds of being poor go down dramatically.

It is chilling to see such otherwise average people so excited about crushing religious freedom and free speech.

30 thoughts on “Should we ban all religions? Gee, can’t think of any downsides to that plan.”

  1. Hi,

    I’m from Loud&Clear, one of the agencies who took part in the pitch this past week (we produced the first ad). We came across your post on Twitter and thought we’d briefly share our thoughts in response.

    We knew the topic would attract some controversy, however first and foremost our ad (and the entire segment) is intended to be insightful and entertaining. It’s a segment about selling the unsellable, and is a chance for agencies to demonstrate some of the techniques we use every day — the insight comes from the application of those common advertising techniques to scenarios that are obviously absurd. In our case, we used a style that you often see used for things like health insurance or home loans. It wasn’t meant to be funny, although there is of course a latent humour in seeing such a ludicrous idea advertised with such conviction.

    If you take the ads out of context, and treat them seriously, then of course they don’t stand up to much scrutiny. But they are not mean to be taken seriously – these are demonstrations of advertising technique, not actual ads promoting the banning of religion. As with the previous ads that promoted euthanising people over the age of 80, and insisting Australian’s invade New Zealand, there is no point in trying to prove them wrong.

    We’ve read lots of posts about the ad — both from the people who want to pay to put it on air for real, and from people like yourself who feel compelled to add their rebuttal. To me, the ad is simply a piece of nonsense, in which a very long bow is drawn in 35 seconds, complete with the Titanic sailing backwards into an iceberg. What’s interesting to me is how making such an absurd topic look visually wonderful, adding bouncy music and a non-threatening voiceover somehow makes it all more meaningful, more real, and worthy of engaging with.

    And that, I guess, is the point of advertising, and of course, precisely why The Pitch is so interesting each week.

    Thanks for your post, it was a really interesting perspective.

    Cheers, Ben

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    1. Ben,

      I’m sorry, I’m just not buying it. You say this was meant to be some sort of “absurd” premise, “selling the unsellable.” You say we should not take it out of context and treat it “sincerely.” The problem is the ad you put together does not have an absurd tone to it. It has a sincere tone. It uses the same contemporary conventional arguments that some use to oppose religion sincerely. The ad itself positions religion as the absurdity, not the banning of religion. You say it was not intended to be funny, and that just doesn’t make sense either. It has a humorous tone, it uses humorous music and imagery (in contrast to the second ad which used a serious tone) but the humor is at the expense of religion, not at the expense of the supposedly absurd premise.

      The problem, really, is that none of these premises — banning religion, euthanasia, child labor — are actually “absurd” premises. Selling ice to Eskimos is absurd. These premises are not.

      Understand, I don’t care that you put this ad together. I’m not offended personally. There was nothing in it that hasn’t been heard before. To each his own. And your ad was the least offensive of the two, in my opinion anyway. The “techniques” looked quite good. Your defense of it just sounds like too much rationalization to me.

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      1. Thanks for your reply.

        Loud&Clear didn’t go on The Pitch seeking to use the platform to push an atheist agenda. We were allocated the brief, and made the best ad we could for the fictional client (Association of Fed Up Atheists of Australia).

        Our ad was sincere only in that was a genuine attempt to show how one *might* advertise the banning of religion. For theists, it was a chance to see how a belief opposed to their own might be advertised – I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing. At least within our team, we thought it was a bit funny to sell something so implausible with that particular casual, comforting air that banks use when encouraging people to take on more debt.

        But it’s completely absurd to think that people of faith would be sitting at home watching TV, and have our ad appear, and at the end of it be converted to atheism. If the arguments against religion are so overwhelmingly strong that a 30 second Python-esque animation does the trick in un-converting people, then religion is no more relevant to mankind than what breakfast cereal or detergent we buy. Of course that’s not the case, so why all the fuss?

        In any case, I’m not trying to rationalise the ad – rather just explain how and why it came to be.

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    1. Or abortion, or gays.

      Funny how the creators of this amusing hypothetical pick on a safe target and ignore how China, the former USSR and many others really did seek to eradicate religion.

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      1. …and with 100 million dead to show for it, no less.

        You show me the Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials…I’ll show you the Holocaust and the Killing Fields of Cambodia.

        There’s no comparison. Not even close.

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    2. if that’s a good idea, banning religion is the best idea in time and space! do you have ANY idea what that would do? taking away atheism is taking away the only punching bag to theists(this one is to strong to be broken) and if it was lost, theists would find a new one, bringing us back to medieval times, only with a little more power! loosing theism is creating a better land to stay, and I should point out that the ONLY reason religion still exists is due to the fact that people are greedy, ignorant, stupid jerks with nothing else to do, they want to believe they have power over all the other races and they are afraid that they would be wrong, or killed by theists following the “bibles” rules!

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  2. Good post and response, Neil. I saw your response over there (pretty much identical to the above) and thought it was very good. The replies to your comments were typical atheistic, Darwinist rants, void of any facts or even understanding of the true Christian faith. The problem is that the true Faith has been so corrupted that the world only sees the corruption rather than the truth. But I think it is also because they don’t want to see the truth, because then they’d have to be accountable to it rather than mocking the corruption.

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  3. Personally, if I had to pick, video #1 was much better.

    that said, if Religion was man made (to keep man in line), how many more horrors would be come up with once we took down the “there’s a guy watching us” syndrome. Big Super Gulp!

    The fools says in his heart, there is no God. But blessed be the man that delights in the law of the lord and builds his house on the Rock.

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  4. They ignored the benefits of Christianity. I see very few hospitals and charities founded by atheists and lots done by Bible-believing Christians.

    Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are atheists, or at least agnostics, and give billions of their own money away.

    That nitpicking aside, this idea is mental and would quickly lead to social collapse. Religion is a belief and a series of actions predicated on that belief; atheism is a belief. So do you criminalise the actions of religion, such as church attendance or outward professions of faith? What about a mixture of the mental and the outward acts, such as reading religious texts to further one’s faith, as opposed to reading them as literature? Or do we criminalise thoughts and beliefs?

    That which protects the right to be an atheist protects the right to be a Christian, Muslim, or Zoroastrian. It is a statement that the government is not going to tell you how to think, what to believe, or for what purposes you can gather in a group of people. The government might set up a public school and ask you to explain Darwinism or read parts of the Torah as part of that schooling, but you aren’t required to profess belief in evolution nor Judiasm.

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    1. “Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are atheists, or at least agnostics, and give billions of their own money away.”

      Only because they get a tax benefit for doing so. Most of Bill’s “charity” comes from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Like most super-rich individuals, and corporations (Ford Motor Co also has a “foundation”) a charitable organization has been set up for tax deduction purposes. It’s an accounting gimmick – funnel money through a nonprofit, see a reduction in the total tax bill.

      Not to suggest all such “giving” is done for such cynical reasons, but I also don’t buy the argument that they do it just because they’re good people who want to help.

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  5. Ben,

    Makes more sense when given the client. That wasn’t apparent from the clip above (or else I missed it). Thanks for clarifying that.

    I didn’t mean to imply L&C itself had any kind of “agenda.” L&C’s agenda, as I had hoped to make clear in my last paragrah, was ultimately irrelevant to me. But you’ve clarified that here, so that’s not really a problem.

    Just understand it’s not the 30 second spot that causes such a fuss, it is the 150+ years of history that was distilled into that 30 second spot that causes all the fuss.

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  6. haha, after reading this…the author sounds very scared of those ad campaigns! powerful and true stuff eh?? Made you worry that something like that might convince the majority of intelligent and critical thinking people what religion really is…a whole lot of crap made up by evil, twisted, deluded, desert nomads to brainwash and control people! and then where would your fairy tales be?? They really would be part of history!
    I think Christianity will be the first religion to disappear (trust me 1 day in the future science will win the argument as science always evolves and changes with new evidence…religion only has 2000+ year old books to reference with very very outdated teachings and beliefs…flat earth etc.) because most Christians live in civilized countries and grow up with the benefits of science, technology and health care and many opportunities for careers/jobs…they are fakes basically, pretend to believe in a God just so they fit in, especially all the American religious fanatics! Its all about money for those lot!
    Scarily the only religion i see surviving the longest (until they set off a nuke and end the world) is Islam!! Because most Muslims live in poor countries and struggle to survive everyday! and have nothing to make their lives worthwhile accept for religion and the promise that when they die they will have everything they didnt have in this life! ..if they do as their religion asks of them! Christianity is too mild nowadays! They don’t force people to believe and kill them if they dont believe anymore! So eventually it will die out and kids in school will be learning about the Greek Gods, the Norse Gods and the Christian God as a thing of the past! They will probably be so confused how modern humans with all this technology believed in ridiculous religions like Christianity!
    Also in your awful article, you mention only religious ppl do charity work…so if we could ban religion, would those same ppl then give up on charity work?? if so, what does that they about those ppl?? they only help because they are scared of god?? how pathetic and fake is that! I think if we banned religion then those charity workers, if they are genuine ppl, would continue their great work! Also i have a few atheist friends who do lots of work for charity, 1 is in fact employed full time so your statements are false…also the real stats are that religious ppl have more divorces and commit more adultery than atheists! FACT!
    There is no evidence for Jesus either! You do know that the story of Jesus has been used in much older religions than Christianity? Oh wait a minute, they dont tell you that do they? lol! Just like those guys trying to sell a product, the people who MADE UP Christianity worked out what stories capture the peoples imagination and then play on that! They would have know about the STORY (as in fiction!!) of a character who is born of a virgin, 3 wise men, can do miracles, son of god and all the rest of it and all they did was change the name to a popular name of the day…Jesus and then…they had a new, updated version of a popular religious teaching in previous popular religions!
    Also why do all you religious idiots believe things like…God appeared to some bloke 2000 years ago? Yet if someone said that nowadays..they would be locked up and sent to a mental hospital?? whats the difference? the difference is that back then, ppl believed ANYTHING!!! nowadays ppl would say prove it?? and of course that mentally ill person wouldnt be able to!
    It always comes down to evidence! I am 100% willing to believe in a God or Gods IF God or science can prove it? If not then why would I believe something on pure faith??? Doesnt make any sense! religious ppl believe in religion because they want it to be true!!! nobody who is religious believes in religion due to evidence after not wanting to believe in it!
    Think about this…how many religious ppl look at the evidence and then say…i have to believe because of the evidence? ZERO!!! (for one its a sin to question your god so therefore you are not allowed to look for evidence!) and how many ppl turn from religion when they look at the evidence? MANY!!!
    I hope my kids or grand kids live in a world without religion as then all you would have is good people and bad people…you wouldnt have good people doing bad things in the name of religion and bad people! too much evil then!! Or the very least, religion is treated like santa or the easter bunny, as in everyone knows its made up but due to tradition celebrate it! and for those who are still brainwashed and have to believe in an old man, sitting on the clouds…let them believe as long as that doesnt affect anyone else and they dont do anything in the name of their religion!
    PEACE!!!

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    1. Hi — thanks for visiting and commenting. I hope you feel better after that! You have been misinformed on many topics so out of kindness I am going to offer you some facts and logic to consider. I hope you weigh them carefully, as eternity is a mighty long time to be wrong.

      haha, after reading this…the author sounds very scared of those ad campaigns! powerful and true stuff eh?? Made you worry that something like that might convince the majority of intelligent and critical thinking people what religion really is…a whole lot of crap made up by evil, twisted, deluded, desert nomads to brainwash and control people! and then where would your fairy tales be?? They really would be part of history!

      If you studied history you’d know that there have been countless brilliant, critical thinking Christians, just as there are today.

      If you used critical thinking skills yourself you’d know that your atheism gives you no grounding for morality, so any claims of something being evil or twisted would be meaningless opinions on your part.

      I think Christianity will be the first religion to disappear (trust me 1 day in the future science will win the argument as science always evolves and changes with new evidence…religion only has 2000+ year old books to reference with very very outdated teachings and beliefs…flat earth etc.)

      I see you bought into the flat earth myth. Please do some research and see who held that view, then read the Bible and not how the “desert nomads” knew it was round.

      The Bible is not a science textbook, but any of your teachers ever point out how the Bible unequivocally states that the universe came into being at a point in time, just like science shows? Did they explain how the author of Genesis knew that there was a vast number of stars, unlike the ~1,100 that so many other ancient people thought?

      Bad news for you: Since its inception, critics have been saying that Christianity will die. See Acts 6 (33 When they heard this, they were enraged and wanted to kill them. 34 But a Pharisee in the council named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in honor by all the people, stood up and gave orders to put the men outside for a little while. 35 And he said to them, “Men of Israel, take care what you are about to do with these men. 36 For before these days Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. 37 After him Judas the Galilean rose up in the days of the census and drew away some of the people after him. He too perished, and all who followed him were scattered. 38 So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail; 39 but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!” So they took his advice, 40 and when they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. 41 Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name. 42 And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.)

      They were wrong! Hundreds of years of intense persecution from the Roman Empire didn’t stop us, so neither will you.

      they are fakes basically, pretend to believe in a God just so they fit in, especially all the American religious fanatics! Its all about money for those lot!

      Yes, just as the Bible predicts many times, there are fake Christians. Hey, we agree!

      Scarily the only religion i see surviving the longest (until they set off a nuke and end the world) is Islam!! Because most Muslims live in poor countries and struggle to survive everyday! and have nothing to make their lives worthwhile accept for religion and the promise that when they die they will have everything they didnt have in this life! ..if they do as their religion asks of them! Christianity is too mild nowadays! They don’t force people to believe and kill them if they dont believe anymore!

      You have some valid points there. Islam started, spread and continues to this day because of violence. Christianity spread under persecution, and any violence done in Jesus’ name is done by people who disobey his teachings.

      Also in your awful article, you mention only religious ppl do charity work…so if we could ban religion, would those same ppl then give up on charity work?? if so, what does that they about those ppl?? they only help because they are scared of god?? how pathetic and fake is that!

      Some people might do good deeds because they are afraid of God, but Christianity teaches the opposite. No amount of good deeds will get you into Heaven. We do good things because we have been made spiritually alive by the Holy Spirit and out of gratitude and obedience to Jesus.

      I think if we banned religion then those charity workers, if they are genuine ppl, would continue their great work! Also i have a few atheist friends who do lots of work for charity, 1 is in fact employed full time so your statements are false…also the real stats are that religious ppl have more divorces and commit more adultery than atheists! FACT!

      People who attend church regularly and read the Bible are far less likely to get divorced. And have fun banning Islam. And you have no grounding to call any work “great.”

      There is no evidence for Jesus either! You do know that the story of Jesus has been used in much older religions than Christianity? Oh wait a minute, they dont tell you that do they? lol! Just like those guys trying to sell a product, the people who MADE UP Christianity worked out what stories capture the peoples imagination and then play on that! They would have know about the STORY (as in fiction!!) of a character who is born of a virgin, 3 wise men, can do miracles, son of god and all the rest of it and all they did was change the name to a popular name of the day…Jesus and then…they had a new, updated version of a popular religious teaching in previous popular religions!

      That is a common Internet meme spread by gullible people. Too bad you bought it. I addressed the copycat fallacy here — http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/copycats/ . If you just a little research you’ll find that you have been wildly misinformed. Then, if you are the critical thinker you claim to be, you’ll wonder what else they lied to you about.

      Regarding facts of Jesus, you couldn’t be more mistaken. Even atheist historical scholars agree on something we refer to as the “minimal facts” — http://tinyurl.com/ykzpu42

      Summary of the “minimal facts” approach: Nearly 100% of historical scholars from 1975 – present agree with the following statements:

      – Jesus really lived and was killed on a Roman cross.
      – Jesus’ disciples believed He appeared to them.
      – Jesus’ brother, James, went from being a pre-crucifixion skeptic to a post-crucifixion church leader.
      – The Apostle Paul believed Jesus appeared to him and he wrote most of the books attributed to him, including Romans, I & II Corinthians, Philemon and others. He converted from persecuting Christians to being the greatest evangelist ever, despite nearly constant challenges, persecution and ultimately dying for his faith.
      75% of the same scholars agree that the tomb was empty.

      None of the alternative theories can be true in light of these facts. The physical resurrection of Jesus best accounts for these facts.

      Also why do all you religious idiots believe things like…God appeared to some bloke 2000 years ago? Yet if someone said that nowadays..they would be locked up and sent to a mental hospital?? whats the difference? the difference is that back then, ppl believed ANYTHING!!! nowadays ppl would say prove it?? and of course that mentally ill person wouldnt be able to!

      Please see the “minimal facts” information just mentioned. The more pertinent question is, “Why don’t fools like you believe there is a God?” The answer is in Romans 1:

      Romans 1:18–20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

      Deep down you know there is a God but you suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

      It always comes down to evidence! I am 100% willing to believe in a God or Gods IF God or science can prove it? If not then why would I believe something on pure faith??? Doesnt make any sense! religious ppl believe in religion because they want it to be true!!! nobody who is religious believes in religion due to evidence after not wanting to believe in it!

      We have tons of evidence, but apparently your teachers and friends have hidden it from you. Your demand for science to prove it is fallacious, as you can’t even use science to prove you should only trust science. Also, you don’t use science, which addresses material things, to prove God, who is an immaterial being. That is some more logic for you ;-).

      Oh, and without God as a foundation, you have no reason to explain why you should trust your reason. That’s another circular reference.

      You also commit the fallacy of thinking we are anti-science. We love science. Look at the history of science and see all the Christians! It was their accurate belief that God was a God of order that led them to study how He made the universe.

      Think about this…how many religious ppl look at the evidence and then say…i have to believe because of the evidence? ZERO!!! (for one its a sin to question your god so therefore you are not allowed to look for evidence!) and how many ppl turn from religion when they look at the evidence? MANY!!!

      Actually, many people do, but you haven’t done much research. Check out this former atheist who wrote Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels — http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Case-Christianity-Homicide-Detective- Investigates/dp/1434704696/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366286399&sr=8-1& .

      I hope my kids or grand kids live in a world without religion as then all you would have is good people and bad people…you wouldnt have good people doing bad things in the name of religion and bad people! too much evil then!! Or the very least, religion is treated like santa or the easter bunny, as in everyone knows its made up but due to tradition celebrate it! and for those who are still brainwashed and have to believe in an old man, sitting on the clouds…let them believe as long as that doesnt affect anyone else and they dont do anything in the name of their religion!
      PEACE!!!

      Again, since you deny God out of your rebellion you have no grounding to call anything good or evil.

      And here is one of your biggest problems: If your worldview is really true then your beloved “universe came into being from nothing, life came from non-life, Darwinian evolution did the rest” premise means that it caused all religions. Got that? Your macro-evolution would have been 100.000% responsible for my conversion from atheism to Christianity and my trust in the evidence for the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. What else could it have been? Your macro-evolution would also be responsible for Islam and every other religion. So why are you so angry about it?!

      All the best to you. I hope you are half as serious as you claim to be about wanting facts and logic. If you really seek God on his terms you will find him. But if you stay in your rebellion then you will spend an eternity in Hell paying for your sins.

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  7. It’s not religion that banned slavery, it was a group of people who cared about fellow human beings – what has that got to do with some guy being executed on a cross? We don’t need religion to tell us to do unto others as we would have others do unto us……common sense and decency. So it really comes down to how strong a person you are. To give in to religion is to give in to self thought, but some people are leaders, and some followers.

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    1. No, it was people with explicitly Christian convictions. On your view, whether people care about fellow human beings is a function of evolution, so it isn’t good or bad. Your evolution just makes you think it is “good,” while a slave trader would think what he was doing was “good.” It would have nothing to do with your strength as a person.

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    2. It’s not religion that banned slavery, it was a group of people who cared about fellow human beings – what has that got to do with some guy being executed on a cross.

      Read a little history of the American abolitionist movement if you think that. As Neil states, the abolition of slavery was a Christian movement at its core:

      http://www.thinkingchristian.net/posts/2009/08/christianity-and-the-abolitionist-movement/

      http://www.ctlibrary.com/ch/1992/issue33/3321.html

      …if you don’t subscribe to Christianity’s precepts, there’s really no reason to place a value on human life to the point where you regard slavery as wrong or immoral. The abolitionists didn’t spend a lot of time pointing out chattel’s weaknesses from an economic standpoint; they pointed out that it was morally wrong for human beings to “own” one another. Also, note that in parts of the world where some non-Christian religion is the dominant one, slavery still thrives:

      http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/03/black-slavery-in-muslim-countries-today-2610466.html

      There is also a thriving sex trade today in parts of Southeast Asia and India, neither of which are known for a dominant Christian culture. The problem with living in the West is that Christianity has been a dominant social force for so long, that it’s easy to forget the underlying source for the values we take for granted (such as slavery being wrong).

      We don’t need religion to tell us to do unto others as we would have others do unto us……common sense and decency.

      Even the agnostics born and raised in the US, Canada, western Europe or ANZAC tend to adopt such values (what you refer to as “common sense and decency”), then treat them as some sort of logical assumption or conclusion, never realizing that adopting values that originated with Christianity is a violation of the “logic” that allows one to maintain a belief in atheist philosophy.

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      1. Science proves that abortion kills people. Once this practice is abolished, I wonder how many haters of religious people will come along, point at Jim Wallace and his ilk, and then claim that Christians were the reason for the holocaust in the womb?

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  8. As one reads this article and the comments it is clear both sides are attempting to prove the un-proveable. It is a waste of time, energy and words. What is worthwhile is the proposition that everything that is detrimental to human happiness and fulfillment in this world should eliminated.

    We should put together a list of the top ten things that cause pain, suffering and restrictions of human aspirations and work to better the plight of us all instead of pointless debates about God or No-God.

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    1. We should put together a list of the top ten things that cause pain, suffering and restrictions of human aspirations and work to better the plight of us all instead of pointless debates about God or No-God.

      Who’s going to put together the list? What will be done with those who are responsible for the top ten things? How will the list-maker be held accountable? What oversight will protect the rest of us from abuses and political motivations?

      Are you getting the picture? This is precisely what the Nazis (and later, the Soviets) tried to do. Millions of innocent people died along the way. But hey, you’re incorruptible and you’d have it figured out so it wouldn’t be necessary to build concentration camps to hold dissenters, right?

      Such utopian fantasy role-playing has absolutely no grounding in a civilized world. I have a better idea – put your faith and trust in Jesus, the one who really will get rid of all pain and suffering in the next world.

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  9. well this O-P is a fucking idiot that cant take criticism so fuck this blog fuck trying to help these people and good luck wasting your life, peace

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    1. Well, obviously it was Darwinian evolution that made me delete your original comment. In your worldview, what other root cause was possible? So why be upset at the worldview you cherish and seek to advance?

      Back to reality, it was clear to me that a productive conversation was highly unlikely. Your reaction confirmed that. I hope you reconsider your views.

      Remember, our worldview can explain yours, but yours provides no foundation to criticize ours. Even if your insults were accurate, our beliefs would have been 100.000% caused by your Darwinian evolution. So isn’t it irrational of you to be angry for being products of Darwinian evolution?

      But here is why you believe what you do:

      Romans 1:18–20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

      Romans 2:15-16 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

      To defy the Creator’s commands, you must ignore His exclusive right to rule His own creation as He wishes. You have to exalt yourself to a level of imaginary importance that would make Him at least second in command–if you are that generous–and place yourself first in command over the part of His creation you want to control–in this case, yourself. The arrogance of such a feat is astounding…No wonder there is a Hell! — Jim Berg
      It is foolish and rebellious to think that you get to define whether God exists and what He must be like. Repent and believe while you still have time. Eternity is a mighty long time to suffer for your foolish pride.

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  10. How can you dismiss the multiverse, which is proven, but claim that something impossible to prove like God or even evolution are either strictly fact or fiction? You make theists look bad, the only way to know God exists is to meet him yourself, you can’t bring back evidence since he’s metaphysical.

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    1. The multiverse is proven? You lost me right there. It is pure speculation brought about because the exquisite fine-tuning of the universe drove materialists to ASSUME the multiverse. But even that bedtime story just moves the goalposts. Who would have created all those multiverses?

      Your premise begs the question and assume we only trust things through our own scientific experimentation. But have you replicated all scientific research yourself and with your own personally created test equipment? Doubtful. Therefore, you have trusted in claims of others — perhaps unwisely.

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