Do you still think this issue won’t affect you?

Proponents of square circles (oops, I mean “same-sex marriage”) often mock their opponents by asking how it would hurt them.  Here’s another example of how the radical LGBTQXX agenda can impact you: Gay manager at Cisco Systems gets Dr. Frank Turek fired.  He wasn’t fired for anything he said at work, but because one person was offended that Turek had written separately that real marriage was the ideal.

Dr. Mike Adams explains how a gay manager at Cisco Systems got Dr. Frank Turek fired for opposing same-sex marriage. Adams explains what happened in a letter addressed to the President of Cisco.


I want to bring to your attention a recent decision made by your HR team that I think does not reflect your leadership of Cisco.Dr. Frank Turek was fired as a vendor for his political and religious views, even though those views were never mentioned or expressed during his work at Cisco.

[…]In 2008, Dr. Turek was hired by Cisco to design and conduct a leadership and teambuilding program for about fifty managers with your Remote Operations Services team. The program took about a year to conduct, during which he also conducted similar sessions for another business unit within Cisco. That training earned such high marks that in 2010 he was asked to design a similar program for about 200 managers within Global Technical Services. Ten separate eight-hour sessions were scheduled.

The morning after completing the seventh session earlier this year, a manager in that session —who was one of the better students in that class—phoned in a complaint. It had nothing to do with content of the course or how it was conducted. In fact, the manager commented that the course was “excellent” as did most who participated. His complaint regarded Dr. Turek’s political and religious views that were never mentioned during class, but that the manager learned by “googling” Dr. Turek after class.

The manager identified himself as gay and was upset that Dr. Turek had written this book providing evidence that maintaining our current marriage laws would be best for the country. Although the manager didn’t read the book, he said that the author’s view was inconsistent with “Cisco values” and could not be tolerated. (Dr. Turek is aware of this because he was in the room when his call came in.) The manager then contacted an experienced HR professional at Cisco who had Dr. Turek fired that day without ever speaking to him. The HR professional also commended the manager for “outing” Dr. Turek.

This firing had nothing to do with course content—the program earned very high marks from participants. It had nothing to do with budget constraints—the original contract was paid in full recently. A man was fired simply because of his personal political and religious beliefs—beliefs that are undoubtedly shared by thousands of your very large and diverse workforce.

You don’t see straight people complaining to HR about the political views of other employees / contractors at companies when those views aren’t expressed in their jobs.  And you definitely won’t see anyone getting fired over that.  In fact, you would be likely to be reprimanded or fired for even complaining.  Why are we letting the sexual preferences of 3% of the population have so much control?  Grow a spine, people!

I saw the Cisco article several places but like the Wintery Knight’s commentary:

And that leads me to the question that gay activists often ask supporters of traditional marriage: “how would allowing same-sex marriage hurt your marriage?”. And now we know the answer. Same-sex marriage would likely,  criminalize free speech that promotes traditional marriage over same-sex marriage, as it has in other countries with same-sex marriage, such as Canada. If you are a working husband, and you are responsible for a family, you will be under a constant threat of termination should your pro-marriage views become known to your colleagues and supervisors. Also, if you teach you children to favor traditional marriage, you may be persecuted by the state.

I would like to be able to provide for my family if I choose to marry, and I would like my children to favor traditional marriage over cohabitation, or any other arrangement, because traditional marriage is best for children who need a stable environment with two loving biological parents (if possible). But if it becomes the law that my view is “offensive” and “discriminatory”, then that would affect my marriage. Sometimes, I am very glad that I am not married, because getting married in a society that is offended by marriage takes a lot of courage. It seems to me that many Christians, especially the uninformed emotional ones who would rather read vampire fiction and Dan Brown than peer-reviewed research, prefer to redefine Christianity to mean “affirming destructive behavior so that you feel good and more people like you”.

Let Dr. Turek’s story be a lesson to all of you who prefer traditional marriage. Don’t allow your opinions on marriage to be linked to your true identity, because some sexually immoral people will try to separate you from your livelihood if they can. It’s no longer safe to express a preference for traditional marriage in this society. If you do it, you are taking chances. Just look at the vandalism and stalking of Prop 8 supporters. If you want children to grow up with a mother and a father in this society, then you are a marked target to those who put adult hedonism above the rights of children – including many Christians who enjoy singing and schmoozing in the church. Just this week I got an anguished e-mail from someone who blogs under his real name who is now in the cross-hairs for expressing his preference for traditional marriage in public.

We are in this situation because fake or wimpy Christians stood by and didn’t stand up for the obvious: Homosexual behavior is a sin and churches shouldn’t be affirming it.  If we really love people, in the sense of having their long-term best interests at heart, we won’t encourage them to participate in physically, emotionally and spiritually destructive behaviors that God plainly spoke against in his word.  And we won’t let the public schools poison the mind of 5 year olds by telling them how “normal” gay, lesbian, bi-sexual and transgender behavior is and how they really can’t tell if they are boys or girls.

We aren’t trying to regulate the lives of gay people. They are free to have whatever adult relationships they like, including getting “married” in apostate churches.  We just disagree that the government needs to be involved in those relationships and to give civil rights status to sexual preferences.  But the LGBTQX lobby is so thin-skinned that they demand not just tolerance but acceptance.

5 thoughts on “Do you still think this issue won’t affect you?”

  1. This is the main problem that I see with the legal recognition of this condition. The imagined “rights” of the homosexual clashing with the actual rights of religious expression, and free association. Shame on Cisco for being so spineless.


  2. Okay, as the unmarried woman here, I’m going to chime in with an answer to, “How does SSM hurt your marriage?”. Look, it doesn’t hurt many existing, long-term, stable marriages – marriages that were created and developed during traditional times. It will, however, make it more difficult for people like me to get married, because, well, anything that weakens the importance of marriage really messes with the next generation. The high divorce rate among gays will, of course, mess with divorce statistics – “Why marry when even more marriages end in divorces than they did before?”. With the fact that 0% of homosexual couples can have children (i.e. a child of both parents), marriage and child-rearing are more attenuated, which, of course, makes it harder for a pregnant woman to demand a ring, or a young woman who wants children to get her boyfriend off his butt and down the aisle.

    In my old age, I am sick and tired of these liberals who “got theirs” then telling the rest of us that we can rot. Yes, you aging hippies: you got men raised by the Greatest Generation, who believe that if you knock a woman up, you marry her, that don’t think that abortion is a good thing and thus won’t pressure you for sex with abortion as the “backstop”, you got marriages that meant something, you got a society that valued marriage. Now the rest of us are left to deal with the consequences. Grrr.


    1. In response to Roxeanne, it seems the simplest solution to child rearing would be to avoid sex until marriage. That avoids the unnecessary problem of “demanding a ring,” eh? It takes two to tango, and shifting the blame to someone not even in the bedroom seems highly suspect — though doubtlessly convenient.

      As far as the fear of divorce goes, people are programmed to seek out company. Men and women will continue to date, as they always have, and they will continue to fall in love. If one (or both) of them is too afraid of divorce to commit to a marriage, then the marriage was quite probably doomed to fail from the start anyway, as the level of love and commitment required would almost certainly have been lacking.

      On that note, if you are TRULY concerned about “anything that weakens the importance of marriage”…why not ban divorce?

      As far as the article goes, the actions of Cisco – if the allegations are true – are thoroughly reprehensible. Freedom of speech and religion are cornerstones of this country, and Turek’s views expressed in his spare time have little to do with his work.

      On the other hand, to suggest that “You don’t see straight people complaining to HR about the political views of other employees…” is ludicrous in a day and age when it is still possible and often even likely to be fired for being gay – even when being so has absolutely no bearing on the person’s work abilities. Consider, for example, the following instance in which a teacher was fired for posting a gay sex ad.


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