Roundup

My sort-of Facebook policy: I keep the comments generally light and leave the politics and heavier stuff to my blog links.  I love the banter of my kids, who are very funny.  If I want to follow the play-by-play action of a sports team I’ll use my iPhone ESPN app, so I definitely don’t need the details of plays and commentary for teams I don’t follow.

Those Pesky, Irrational, Woman-Hating Traditional Family Values – great post by Roxanne about family values.
This is a matter of life and death — good post and video about death

Deceived by ‘The God Delusion’ Former Christian Student Commits Suicide – worldviews and facts matter.

John McCain was not my first choice for President (or second, or third . . .), but I much preferred him over Barack Obama.  I’m really surprised that some people think that things would be no better under a McCain administration.  Are you kidding me?!  For starters, he would have spent $1 trillion less and would have put qualified judges on the Supreme Court.  Those alone would have positively impacted the country for decades. Decades! People get so caught up in irrelevant political details and ignore the major things that impact most people.

The Fiorina surge is on – Can Carly beat Barbara Boxer?  I hope so.  I had mixed feelings about Fiorina when she was at HP.  She was tough as nails.  Pushing the Compaq / HP merger through was an amazing feat, and she was relentless consistent in keeping her vision in front of people.

Why doesn’t the church address the issue of modesty? – Great question and answers by Randy Alcorn.  Read it all.

I’m all for sex and I think it’s great for a woman to be sexy with one person—her husband. The irony is there are cases where women have gotten so used to appearing sexy in public yet actually have no sexual relationship with their own husbands. So we have two issues going on related to the issue of modesty—modesty in public, and modesty when the Body of Christ is assembled. And this latter one is huge.

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As for the part of the question asking why this is not being addressed like it should be in churches, I believe the answer is fear. I think there are many pastors and church leaders, who, like many husbands and fathers, are afraid to speak up for fear of offending women who are fashion-conscious. Some women think that to be fashionable, you have to have outfits that are sexy—including the split skirts, the very tight skirts and pants, and low-cut tops. All of these things send a message to men, and pastors are very self-conscious about speaking up because they think,There are women who will think I am a pervert for even mentioning this. “Oh, is that what the pastor is thinking about when he’s up front?”

It’s a difficult situation, but it’s an issue I believe male leaders of the home and church need the courage to speak up about and address directly. We also need godly women (especially godly women who can be reasonably fashionable and attractive in the right sense of attractive—not sexually attractive) who will lovingly challenge other women and let them know they are sending a wrong message. And if they don’t care about the message they’re sending, then something’s really wrong and they need to repent. We need open, clear discussions about this so women can become aware and understand the issue.

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Nancy Leigh DeMoss has excellent material on modesty and purity. She has a wonderful booklet titled The Look: Does God Really Care What I Wear? as well as several resources about the freedom of modesty at her ministry’s website,www.reviveourhearts.com.

Coming soon to a country near you: Greek Health System Opts for Amputation as Money-Saver (Hat tip: The way the Ball bounces)

Teacher unions block volunteers from working in school libraries

 

 

 

9 thoughts on “Roundup”

  1. I agree 100% with the “sort-of” policy of Facebook – keep it light. In addition to not wanting play by play of sports events, I’d add that I really don’t care how your cow is doing in Farmville and no I can’t give you a gate for your fence….

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  2. That story about Jesse Kilgore is beyond tragic. The thing is, I can understand how devastated he must have felt. I’ve had times where the doubts have been so strong, and the evidence against all I believe apparently so water-tight that it drove me to depression. But when you approach the picture (of creation; evidence for the Resurrection; etc.) objectively, the “case for Christ” really is insurmountable. A big part of the reason )IMO) so many American youth leave Christianity is because they’ve lost all critical thinking skills, as well as the ability to do hard-core research from sources without an anti-God bias. That “Jesus Misquoted” book comes to mind….as Bible scholars pointed out, it was full of misinformation and misconstrued data.

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  3. Dr. S. M. Davis has a good sermon on modesty called “The Language of the Christian’s Clothing.” My sister and I were convicted about our modesty after hearing it–especially since we both have girls and need to be a good example for them. He says that nakedness in the Bible was the torso from the neck to the thighs. Bikinis are definitely out! I don’t think I have even worn shorts in public since I first heard the sermon a year ago. He believes that women should always wear dresses (which my sister and I don’t agree with because we feel that women can still be modest while wearing pants) but he is not condemning to those who do not. Overall it is a good sermon that describes God’s standards for modesty.

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  4. Thank you for the link! 🙂 Maybe that’s why Jill Stank picked it up in her Quotes of the Day. (Yes, I shamelessly self-promote.)

    As for modesty: oh, geez. Yes, I do think that women should be modest (for themselves and for men). I do think that “fashionable” and “modest” go together (think Ann Taylor). I do know that men can see women in a modest, conservative black suit, for heaven’s sake, and start thinking rather immodest thoughts about her.

    But I absolutely do not think that men should bring this issue up with women to whom they are not related. Part of modesty is understanding boundaries, and it’s simply not appropriate for pastors to bring that up. If a pastor’s wife wants to lead a discussion about that during a retreat or a social gathering or whatever, more power to her. If a mom wants to talk to her daughters about modesty, great. If this is a Sunday school discussion amongst girls, wonderful. But unrelated men – pastor or not – talking about this to women? No, no, no.

    Also, what men tend to forget in these situations (as do women in others, and humans in various other instances) is that women are sick and tired of being criticised for the way they look, dress, act, and speak. I’m fairly resilient to a lot of that, and I’m at the “Just STFU, right now, no questions” stage. Also, men sort of lack a certain sensitivity (sorry, guys, it’s true), and, um, yeah, just don’t start talking to us specifically about these matters when you have wives, nuns, women leaders, and moms to do that. (As a woman I know says, it takes men two years of seminary to have the same emotional empathy as girls have by the time they are on the elementary-school playground.)

    So no, pastors aren’t afraid to speak out because they are going to offend our delicate sensibilities or because they’ll look like perverts; they should not because they aren’t the right people to do it. As I tell the welfare-state crowd, just because something needs to happen doesn’t mean that it should happen by the first or most convenient means you happen to stumble upon.

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    1. “Part of modesty is understanding boundaries, and it’s simply not appropriate for pastors to bring that up.”

      I’m not sure that I agree with that. It is a pastor’s job to shepherd and guide his sheep. For some women/girls, a pastor may be the only person they would hear it from. It may not be appropriate if he was speaking directly to a particular woman (especially without his wife present) but if he is speaking from the pulpit he has the accountability of the congregation and he is speaking generally. It is appropriate for a pastor to speak about a woman’s respect & submission to her husband just like he should speak about a husband’s love and sacrifice for his wife. It is appropriate for a pastor to speak about a man’s sexual temptations and sins so I think that modesty for women would go along with that.

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      1. It is appropriate for a pastor to speak about a man’s sexual temptations and sins so I think that modesty for women would go along with that.

        Let me guess; you also believe that men and women are not interchangeable and have their own roles to play in life and have their own outlook, brain wiring, and emotional make-up.

        Look: I believe in single-sex sex education programmes, whether they be in school or in church, or whether the subject be birth control or desire or modesty.

        Now, let’s get a few facts straight first. Aside from a burqa, there is no article of clothing that a woman can wear that will ensure that men do not feel aroused by her. Men are aroused by women – their forms, their faces, their hands, their feet.

        Another fact: any young woman who dresses modestly invites men to fetishise her. I know this, having been on the receiving end of “You have that buttoned-up hot librarian thing going on”. Yay. (Rolls eyes.)

        Another fact: women who are receptive to this message already try to balance fashion and good taste, non-frumpiness with elegance. Men have never done that. Women who are in need of the message haven’t done that, and, trust me, aren’t listening anyway. (I have known a lot of immodestly-dressed, deeply religious women in my life, and they are the ones who land hardest on my head for not dressing like a tramp.)

        Frankly, I can’t see why any sensible pastor would wade in there, except to announce at the end of the sermon, “My wife will be hosting a tea and luncheon for the women in the parish on Wednesday at our home; she and Mrs. X will be discussing modesty and religion.”

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      2. And by the way? If you want women to dress modestly, you don’t have some old pastor browbeat them from the pulpit; you have the pastor talk to the men in the congregation, in front of the whole congregation, about how modestly-dressed women are the most loving and faithful girlfriends and the best wives, and to not be dissuaded by her pre-marital modesty, because it’s a harbinger of good, good things to come during marriage.

        Oh, throw in a line there about how modern men need to stop confusing not-nice women with nice women, and, yes, we hope that you’ll treat all women well, but the women who dress modestly and keep their faith are the ones that you court, take to dinner, hold hands with, and respect. Too many men today treat the not-nice girls with the respect and dignity due to nice women, and vice versa, but be cognizant of how a women dresses and behaves and treat her accordingly.

        The next mass will see a parade of young women in floor-length skirts and gently draping sweaters.

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      3. I think a better idea would be to talk to the women directly about how to attract men without using sex appeal. And that might come in several flavors.

        1) women should be proficient at apologetics and politics and show a willingness to bravely conflict with people in her peer group. That is why people like Ann Coulter and Michele Bachmann – I think that women especially struggle with wanting to fit in and changing themselves to be more inline with their peers (rightly or wrongly).

        2) women should understand femininity and chivalry, and allow men to serve them and protect them and give them gifts without thinking that it will necessarily need to marriage. Protecting, providing and moral/spiritual leadership is just how men express themselves. Being responsible and accountable to reason and evidence is very attractive.

        3) Women should be proficient in articulating what men want from marriage and parenting, and what difficulties men will face from marriage. Women should be able to speak passionately against feminism and socialism, e.g. – no fault divorce, high taxes, public schools, etc. And women should understand how recognition, encouragement and affirmation of good men is necessary to make men do the right things.

        I think it is especially important for women to understand how to measure good men against traditional roles, (protector, provider, moral/spiritual leader) so that they value a man’s ability to make moral judgments, work/earn/save, and commit to long-term relationships over physical appearance, amusement value, athletic ability, sexual ability, etc. CHASTITY should be highly valued by women because when present in men, it offers a high probability of marital stability.

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