Greetings to Pharyngula visitors

For those of you stopping by from Pharyngula, thanks for visiting.  Please feel free to look around.  Please note that initial comments are moderated, so they may not appear right away, and they won’t appear at all if they are off topic, insulting, etc.  Many of your questions and statements may have already addressed in poor arguments to make with theists.

Here’s a challenge to you for 2009: Spend as much time fighting Islam as you do Christianity.  The “raiding party” from Richard Dawkin’s site that visited here a year ago had to be made aware that the five sites they had targeting for their war on religion were all Christian.  Go figure.  It was almost as if they knew deep down that it was their real enemy.  Never mind that Christianity is shrinking in Europe and Islam is growing rapidly.  Oh, and that whole Islamic violence thingy.  Perhaps you are more consistent than them.  You guys do buy signs on buses mocking Ramadan also, don’t you?  And we both know that you don’t really think a “Christian theocracy” is more likely than Sharia law.

All kidding aside, please remember that eternity is a mighty long time.  Running around with your Big Book O’ Atheist Sound Bites might seem fulfilling now, but ultimately it will mean nothing — even if your worldview was true.  Remember, if your worldview is true then materialistic Darwinism is the source of all religion and my faith. 

Acts 17: 24-30 The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’

“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man’s design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.”

Your worldview can’t rationally explain the Christian worldview, but the Christian worldview can explain yours.

Romans 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Also feel free to peruse the apologetics links to the right.  They are all quite good.  We have lots of evidence on which to base our faith.  I prayed that God would open your eyes to the truth.

11 thoughts on “Greetings to Pharyngula visitors”

  1. Neil,
    If your goal is to expand our vocabulary, to make us look up a word, you’ve succeeded.

    My search found the following:
    Pharyngula is a blog on ScienceBlogs run by PZ Myers. (possibly what you wanted, but not likely)

    In developmental biology, the pharyngula is a stage in embryonic development. (good hit)

    a developmental stage in vertebrate embryos, after fertilization (another good one).

    Ok, I’ve had to think once for the day, now I can spend the rest of my day overeating Christmas food and playing with my new toys…

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  2. Greetings Neil. I see you’ve also stumbled into the strange, wild world of Pharyngula. Nothing much else for me to say, except to wish you well, and do hope you keep to the scriptures – there’s much enlightenment we can all learn from them, if only we’re willing to study them to their fullest depths.

    Happy holidays, and Godspeed!

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  3. Yep, it is his blog I was referring to. Didn’t realize what that meant. Hopefully it means they recognize that embryos are human beings at a particular stage of development and that they are pro-life.

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  4. “Spend as much time fighting Islam as you do Christianity.”

    A term was coined at Pharyngula to describe this, “fatwah envy.” In other words, Christians whining: “You’re being mean to us poor, persecuted Christians, why aren’t you equally mean to Muslims? We know why, you’re afraid Muslims will commit jihad against you.”

    Western atheists spend most of their time showing the illogic of Christianity and complaining about how Christians, particularly the fundamentalist version, want to establish their particular brand of religion as a theocracy.

    The reason is simple. Christians are the ones we run into most often. I know there are Muslim creationists, but I’ve never run into one in real life or on the internet. I’ve run into large numbers of Christian creationists.

    Yes, Islamic fundamentalists are just as odious and deluded as Christian fundamentalists. If I lived in Turkey I’d come across more Islamic fundamentalists and spend more effort in arguing with them. Since I live in Connecticut, I’ve found fundamentalist Muslims thin on the ground, whereas Christian fundamentalists are as far away as across the street.

    Sorry that I can’t oblige you by satisfying your fatwah envy. If you want to become a fundamentalist Muslim, I can spend some time arguing with you.

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  5. Good read: America Alone by Mark Steyn, who goes into the subject of how easily Islam has moved into and is taking control of post-Christian Eurabia.

    Better read: Rabbi Lapin’s ‘Americas Real War’, which deals with Americas long trek towards humanism/secularism and why Judeo/Christian values are paramount to the survival of America.

    This post reminded me to ask the question….why isnt the GLBT community up in arms against the imams in Cali?

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  6. Randy, excellent points. I also googled the pharyngula word. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one.

    Neil – don’t mean to sound like a broken record but – great stuff.

    I love this line (which I will use for my apologetics class):

    Your worldview can’t rationally explain the Christian worldview, but the Christian worldview can explain yours.

    well put.

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  7. I’ve noticed that goddists almost always censor comments while atheists rarely do. It says a lot about your confidence in your beliefs.

    I guess my prior comment about fatwah envy was too “controversial” to pass your censorship. Why am I not surprised that your beliefs are too fragile to withstand honest criticism?

    Neil said: Actually, I’m on vacation and this is the first time I saw your comment.

    Your first line probably gets lots of “amens” from your blogging buddies but probably doesn’t resemble reality. I have plenty of confidence in my views. But don’t confuse blocking inappropriate comments with a lack of confidence. For example, every sentence of your comment was an insult, and you didn’t give me the benefit of the doubt on whether I’d post your other comment. How charitable of you.

    What is even more amusing is that you imply that censorship would be wrong, even though in your worldview the concept of a universal morality makes no sense.

    If you have neighbors or co-workers who are irrational bores, are you morally obligated to spend time with them? I’m not saying you are in that category, as I don’t even know you. I’m just pointing out that one is not obligated to spend an indefinite amount of time with everyone who stops by.

    But to be sure, the most amusing thing about cries of censorship from materialists is that they miss the whole point of Expelled! Even if this the owner of this little blog “censored” you unfairly, how much worse would the lack of intellectual freedom in the scientific community be? And my list of reasons for “censoring” people is far more defensible than the reasons used against those who dare challenge materialistic Darwinism. Nobody loses their funding or their jobs if I block their comments.

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  8. Hey all — thanks and good points.

    Edgar, thanks — I think it was your notion of materialism (if it were true) being responsible for faith that made me think of that.

    Bret, it is indeed irrational for the GLBT community to ignore Islam when they are protesting the alleged violation of the “separation” clause (you know, the one that isn’t in the Constitution). It is just as irrational that they don’t protest the UCC, Episcopal and other “churches” that are on their side. I mean, if churches are supposed to stay out of this why don’t they speak out against the support of the apostate denominations?

    Marshall — don’t worry, this one will be much more heavily moderated. I tried to be a good sport with the Dawkins group but ended up wasting a lot of time with their logical fallacy-fest. I’m always in a 1 Peter 3:15-16 mood with anyone with serious inquiries, but I’m also in a 2 Corinthians 10:5 mood with bad reasoning, as well as a pearl holding / dust shaking mood when the situation applies.

    1 Peter 3:15-16 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.

    2 Corinthians 10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

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  9. “Spend as much time fighting Islam as you do Christianity.”

    A term was coined at Pharyngula to describe this, “fatwah envy.” In other words, Christians whining: “You’re being mean to us poor, persecuted Christians, why aren’t you equally mean to Muslims? We know why, you’re afraid Muslims will commit jihad against you.”

    Actually, I view your meanness as more evidence for your rebellion. I don’t whine about it, I expect it. I just point out your absence of criticism about Islam as additional evidence of the cowardice of your movement and the truth of Christianity. So how about coming back after you publicly protest Islam? If you really think your worldview is true, wouldn’t the loving thing be to spread that truth to those around the world who haven’t heard it? Do you fund evangelical atheists in Muslim countries?

    Western atheists spend most of their time showing the illogic of Christianity and complaining about how Christians, particularly the fundamentalist version, want to establish their particular brand of religion as a theocracy.

    That is a straw man argument. Actually, it was pretty funny. Do you really think that there is a higher risk of a Christian theocracy than Sharia law? You all throw terms like that around so reflexively but I see no evidence for them.

    The reason is simple. Christians are the ones we run into most often. I know there are Muslim creationists, but I’ve never run into one in real life or on the internet. I’ve run into large numbers of Christian creationists.

    But wait, you just said it was because we were trying to establish a theocracy. Which is it — the political thing or the creation thing? If I didn’t know better I’d think you were just grasping at straws.

    Yes, Islamic fundamentalists are just as odious and deluded as Christian fundamentalists. If I lived in Turkey I’d come across more Islamic fundamentalists and spend more effort in arguing with them. Since I live in Connecticut, I’ve found fundamentalist Muslims thin on the ground, whereas Christian fundamentalists are as far away as across the street.

    Yeah, and you better be careful, or those Christian “fundamentalists” might visit you in the hospital or in prison, help you when you are down, pray for you, donate to charities that help your community, protect your freedom to be an atheist, etc.

    The Islamic fundamentalists, on the other hand . . .

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  10. “Western atheists spend most of their time showing the illogic of Christianity”

    My (admittedly limited) experience with western atheists is that they don’t seem to understand that using logic and incorrect facts really does not accomplish anything of value.

    If you want to argue with logic, first get the facts. I suggest looking at the example of Lee Stroebel, his research was done as an atheist and I think he did a good job with the facts. If you don’t want to do the research yourself, use his.

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