Endless errors from Soulforce

Update: Read here about how Mel White cheated on his wife with a male prostitute and blamed it on God.  This is the kind of perverse thinking grounding the “gay Christian” movement.

This pro-gay theology pamphlet by Mel White of the pro-gay theology Soulforce group is an absolute train wreck of bad reasoning.  I’m going to give you just a sample.  Joe Dallas made this observation in Responding to Pro-Gay Theology (a terrific resource I refer to several times below).

Mel White alludes, in his book, to some earlier studies of the destruction of Sodom but his turning point seems to have come not from a careful, prayerful study of scripture, but from a psychologist who encouraged him to accept his homosexuality and find a lover!

Here are parts of the pamphlet with some comments.

What the Bible Says – And Doesn’t Say – About Homosexuality

by Rev. Mel White, co-founder of Soulforce

LIKE YOU, I TAKE THE BIBLE SERIOUSLY!

Many good people build their case against homosexuality almost entirely on the Bible. These folks value Scripture, and are serious about seeking its guidance in their lives. Unfortunately, many of them have never really studied what the Bible does and doesn’t say about homosexuality.

We gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender Christians take the Bible seriously, too. Personally, I’ve spent more than 50 years reading, studying, memorizing, preaching, and teaching from the sacred texts. I earned my master’s and doctoral degrees at a conservative biblical seminary to better equip myself to “rightly divide the word of truth.” I learned Hebrew and Greek to gain a better understanding of the original words of the biblical texts. I studied the lives and times of the biblical authors to help me know what they were saying in their day so I could better apply it to my own.

I’m convinced the Bible has a powerful message for gay and lesbian Christians — as well as straight Christians. But it’s not the message of condemnation we so often hear.

I’m not expecting you to take my word for it, though. I ask only that you’d consider what my research has taught me about the passages used by some people to condemn God’s gay and lesbian children. Then decide for yourself…

MY FIRST PREMISE:

Most people have not carefully and prayerfully researched the biblical texts often used to condemn God’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender children.

As you may know, biblical ignorance is an epidemic in the United States. A recent study quoted by Dr. Peter Gomes in The Good Book found that 38 percent of Americans polled were certain the Old Testament was written a few years after Jesus’ death. Ten percent believed Joan of Arc was Noah’s wife. Many even thought the epistles were the wives of the apostles.

This same kind of biblical ignorance is all too present around the topic of homosexuality. Often people who love and trust God’s Word have never given careful and prayerful attention to what the Bible does or doesn’t say about homosexuality.

I actually agree with his statements about Biblical illiteracy.  But that is a two-way street.  Let’s see how well he analyzes the Bible.

For example, many Christians don’t know that:

  • Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior.

Yes, and many Christians don’t know that arguing from silence is a logical fallacy, Jesus inspired all scripture, He supported the Old Testament law to the last letter, the “red letters” weren’t silent on these topics in the sense that they reiterated what marriage and murder were, He emphasized many other important issues that these liberal theologians completely ignore (Hell, his divinity, his exclusivity, etc.), He was equally “silent” on issues that these folks treat as having the utmost importance (capital punishment, war, welfare, universal health care, etc.), and abortion and homosexual behavior simply weren’t hot topics for 1st century Jews, and Jesus specifically mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah multiple times.  I address the complete and absolute errors of the “Jesus says nothing” argument here.

In short, that is a very bad argument on Mel’s part.

  • The Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality.

That ignores that many of the prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, Zephnaniah) use Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of the sin and rebellion that God has punished.  It also ignores the obvious: The Prophets all wrote after the law was given to the Israelites, and homosexual behavior brought the death penalty.  It didn’t appear to be an issue for them.

  • Only six or seven of the Bible’s one million verses refer to same-sex behavior in any way — and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation as it’s understood today.

Actually, there are 31,173 verses in the Bible but I’ll grant him that bit of hyperbole.  How many verses does God have to use until He really means it?  There are even less verses on bestiality.  Is that OK?  There are zero on gay-bashing, but I’m pretty sure that is a sin.  And how about the fact that every reference to God’s ideal for marriage and every reference to parenting involves one man and one woman?

Most people who are certain they know what the Bible says about homosexuality don’t know where the verses that reference same-sex behavior can be found. They haven’t read them, let alone studied them carefully. They don’t know the original meaning of the words in Hebrew or Greek. And they haven’t tried to understand the historical context in which those words were written. Yet the assumption that the Bible condemns homosexuality is passed down from generation to generation with very little personal study or research. The consequences of this misinformation are disastrous, not only for God’s gay and lesbian children, but for the entire church.

Again, there is Biblical ignorance on both sides of the issue, but a vast number of scholars around the world realize what the Bible really says.  Even some pro-gay theologians concede that the Bible condemns the behavior.  They just invent a scenario where God has changed his mind now.  Luke Timothy Johnson said: “I think it important to state clearly that we do, in fact, reject the straightforward commands of Scripture, and appeal instead to another authority when we declare that same-sex unions can be holy and good.” And even the heretic “Bishop” Shelby Spong says, “The Bible can certainly be read as condemnatory of homosexual practice. Both sides admit that.”

The apostle Paul says, “Test all things and hold fast to that which is good.” By reading this little pamphlet, you are taking Paul seriously.

That begs the question.  So far Mel hasn’t demonstrated that he has anything good to offer.

MY SECOND PREMISE:

Historically, people’s misinterpretation of the Bible has left a trail of suffering, bloodshed, and death.

Over the centuries people who misunderstood or misinterpreted the Bible have done terrible things. The Bible has been misused to defend bloody crusades and tragic inquisitions; to support slavery, apartheid, and segregation; to persecute Jews and other non-Christian people of faith; to support Hitler’s Third Reich and the Holocaust; to oppose medical science; to condemn interracial marriage; to execute women as witches; and to support the Ku Klux Klan. Shakespeare said it this way: “Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.”

Feel free to read the whole thing in the pamphlet, but I’m deleting most of this section.  It proves nothing.  Yes, people have misused the Bible to support bad things such as slavery and the oppression of women.  But people also properly used the Bible to end slavery and the oppression of women.

So what are we to conclude?  That you must use the Bible properly.  The burden of proof is on Mel to prove that the Bible does not consider homosexual behavior a sin.  Christianity considered it so for 2,000 years.  The only exceptions are some recent changes in some Western churches that, coincidentally, often deny many essentials of the faith (Jesus’ divinity and exclusivity, the authority of the Bible, etc.).

After Matthew Shepard was killed in 1998, a pastor in North Carolina published an open letter regarding the trial of Aaron McKinney that read: “Gays are under the death penalty. His blood is guilty before God (Lev. 20:13). If a person kills a gay, the gay’s blood is upon the gay and not upon the hands of the person doing the killing. The acts of gays are so abominable to God. His Word is there and we can’t change it.”

Most of the people I know who say “the Bible condemns homosexuality” would never condone these acts. Most Christians have no idea that the people killing gay and lesbian persons go around quoting those few verses of Scripture as justification.

So we agree that you shouldn’t bash gays (even though Jesus didn’t say anything about that . . .).

But it’s important to hear these stories, because I’m not writing this little pamphlet as a scholarly exercise. It’s a matter of life and death. I’m pleading for the lives of my lesbian sisters and gay brothers who are rejected by their friends and families, fired by their employers, denied their civil rights, refused full membership in their churches, and kill themselves or are killed by others — all on the basis of these six or seven verses.

Now that is just idiocy.  Consider Matthew Shepard’s killers.  For one thing, they now deny that they killed him over his sexuality.  But either way, do you seriously think that they just got back from a Focus on the Family “Love won out” conference and thought they should kill him?  Muslims kill gays without using any Bible verses.  Virtually all cultures look down on this behavior.  Mel proves nothing here.

MY THIRD PREMISE:

We must be open to new truth from Scripture.

Even heroes of the Christian faith have changed their minds about the meaning of various biblical texts.

It took a blinding light and a voice from heaven to help the apostle Paul change his mind about certain Hebrew texts. A sheet lowered from the sky filled with all kinds of animals helped the apostle Peter gain new insights into Jewish law.

Yes, God revealed things to Paul and Peter.  But there are at least nine things wrong with applying that to pro-gay theology:

There are at least nine things wrong with this view:

  1. The person with the revelation was Peter, one of Jesus’ inner circle and a key leader in the early church.  It wasn’t made to you, me or Mel.  That doesn’t mean God couldn’t reveal something important like this to us, just that it is highly unlikely.
  2. The visions were clear and emphatic.  Peter was given the vision three times.
  3. Peter was inclined to reject the meaning of the vision, whereas these pro-gay theologians have views on human sexuality that are virtually indistinguishable from the prevailing culture and they are glad to accept this “new revelation.”
  4. There was external validation for Peter from the Roman centurion.
  5. This lesson showed up in the Bible, not outside it.  I’m not saying miracles don’t happen outside the Bible.  It is just that things appear in the Bible for a reason.  God communicating that the ceremonial laws had been fulfilled was one of those “big deals.”
  6. This vision overturned a ceremonial law, not a moral law.  There are zero examples in the Bible of God reversing his moral laws.  In fact, the more Jesus talked the stricter the laws seemed to get, because He emphasized the spirit of the law and not just the letter (i.e., lust was akin to committing adultery, anger was akin to murder, etc.).  The dietary laws never applied to Gentiles.
  7. The “God has changed his mind view” is primarily being “revealed” to theologically liberal Christians in the U.S. . . . the very ones who often deny his Word to begin with!  So we can’t trust the accurate transmission of the original writings but we can trust their new revelations?  Go figure.
  8. If God is revealing a change, why is it necessarily more liberal?  Why couldn’t God make his laws more stringent?  Jesus never watered down any moral teachings.  At a minimum he made the intent more clear and more difficult to adhere to (i.e., lust is like adultery, unrighteous anger is like murder).
  9. The Bible gives strong warnings not to add or take away from its teachings.

Jerry Falwell believed the Bible supported segregation in the church until a black shoeshine man asked him, “When will someone like me be allowed to become a member of your congregation?” Through those simple words, the Holy Spirit spoke new truth about the ancient biblical texts to the Rev. Falwell, and in obedience he ended segregation at Thomas Road Baptist Church.

Even when we believe the Scriptures are “infallible” or “without error,” it’s terribly dangerous to think that our understanding of every biblical text is also without error. We are human. We are fallible. And we can misunderstand and misinterpret these ancient words — with tragic results.

What if someone asked you, “Is there a chance you could be wrong about the way you’ve interpreted the biblical texts sometimes used to condemn homosexual orientation?” How would you respond? What does it say about you if you answer, “No, I could NOT be wrong”? I am asking you to re-examine these texts — carefully and prayerfully. Lives hang in the balance.

Yes, lives hang in the balance.  Eternal lives.  I agree with Mel that we should examine these scriptures carefully.  I know I have, including the original Greek and Hebrew terms for key words, studying the passages in context, etc.  Mel assumes that we haven’t read them carefully, yet countless people have.

There are far too many tragic stories of what happens when we fail to study these texts. Mark B. was a young man who accepted his sexual orientation “until he became a Christian” and was told on the basis of these texts that he couldn’t be both a Christian and a gay man. Mark committed suicide and wrote this suicide note to God: “I just don’t know how else to fix this.” Mary Lou Wallner, one of our most faithful Soulforce volunteers, was led by these texts to condemn her lesbian daughter, Anna, who hanged herself. Mary Lou now says, “If I can steer just one person away from the pain and anguish I’ve been living, then maybe Anna’s death will have meaning.”

If heroes of the Christian faith could change their minds about the meaning of certain biblical texts, shouldn’t we be prepared to reconsider our own interpretations of these ancient words when the Holy Spirit opens our minds and hearts to new truth? That’s why we study the Bible prayerfully, seeking the Spirit of Truth, God’s loving Spirit, to help us understand and apply these words to our lives.

On the night he was betrayed, Jesus told his disciples he was going away from them for a while, but that the Father would send them a “Comforter,” an “Advocate,” the “Holy Spirit” who would “teach them all things.”

I believe with all my heart that the Holy Spirit is still teaching us. When we reconsider the texts that are used by some people to condemn God’s gay children, we must fervently seek the Holy Spirit’s guidance, or we risk being misled by our own prejudices.

Yes, just as a gay person like Mel might be inclined to see what he wants in the texts.

MY FOURTH PREMISE:

The Bible is a book about God — not a book about human sexuality.

The Bible is the story of God’s love for the world and the people of the world. It tells the history of God’s love at work rescuing, renewing, and empowering humankind. It was never intended to be a book about human sexuality. Certainly, you will agree.

Of course that isn’t the primary purpose of the book, but that is a deceptive move on Mel’s part.  If it is the word of God – and Mel is at least pretending that it is – then anything it teaches about human sexuality is completely true.

In fact, the Bible accepts sexual practices that we condemn and condemns sexual practices that we accept. Lots of them! Here are a few examples.

  • DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
    If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
  • DEUTERONOMY 22:22
    If a married person has sex with someone else’s husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
  • MARK 10:1-12
    Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
  • LEVITICUS 18:19
    The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman’s period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
  • MARK 12:18-27
    If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
  • DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
    If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy’s genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

I’m certain you don’t agree with these teachings from the Bible about sex. And you shouldn’t.

Whoa!  You just tipped your hand there, buddy.  First, you showed that you can’t read in context.  The rules in Deuteronomy were for an Israelite theocracy.

The list goes on: The Bible says clearly that sex with a prostitute is acceptable for the husband but not for the wife. Polygamy (more than one wife) is acceptable, as is a king’s having many concubines. (Solomon, the wisest king of all, had 1,000 concubines.) Slavery and sex with slaves, marriage of girls aged 11-13, and treatment of women as property are all accepted practices in the Scriptures. On the other hand, there are strict prohibitions against interracial marriage, birth control, discussing or even naming a sexual organ, and seeing one’s parents nude.

This is a gross misunderstanding of how to read the Bible.  It records what really happened, sins and all, but doesn’t necessarily approve of all that it records.  In fact, it disapproves of most of what it records.

Over the centuries the Holy Spirit has taught us that certain Bible verses should not be understood as God’s law for all time periods. Some verses are specific to the culture and time they were written, and are no longer viewed as appropriate, wise, or just.

The Holy Spirit taught the through the scripture and by reading it in context.

Often, the Holy Spirit uses science to teach us why those ancient words no longer apply to our modern times. During the last three decades, for example, organizations representing 1.5 million U.S. health professionals (doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, and educators) have stated definitively that homosexual orientation is as natural as heterosexual orientation, that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of yet unknown pre- and post-natal influences, and that it is dangerous and inappropriate to tell a homosexual that he or she could or should attempt to change his or her sexual orientation. (See Recommended Resources, p. 23-24.)

Again, he tips his hand.  So the world understands what the word of God does not?  Indeed.

While there are some people now living in heterosexual marriages who once perceived themselves to be gay, there are millions of gay and lesbian persons who have accepted their sexual orientation as a gift from God and live productive and deeply spiritual lives. The evidence from science and from the personal experience of gay and lesbian Christians demands that we at least consider whether the passages cited to condemn homosexual behavior should be reconsidered, just as other Bible verses that speak of certain sexual practices are no longer understood as God’s law for us in this day.

MY FIFTH PREMISE:

We miss what these passages say about God when we spend so much time debating what they say about sex.

If the Bible is the story of God’s love for the world and not a handbook about sex, then that should shape how we read the Scriptures. So as we take a look at the six biblical texts that are used by some people to condemn homosexuality, let’s ask two questions about each of them:

First, what does the text say about God that we need to hear but might be missing?

Second, what might the text be saying about homosexuality?

PASSAGE 1
GENESIS 2:21-25
THE CREATION STORY

Let’s start “In the Beginning…” What does the creation story in Genesis 1-2 say about God?

I’m so tired of reading signs carried by protesters that say: “It’s about Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.” In fact, the creation story is as important to Adam and Steve as it is Adam and Eve. Gays and non-gays alike need to know and celebrate the truth at the center of this story.

This creation story is primarily about God, a story written to show the power of God who created the world and everything in it. It teaches us that ultimately God is our Creator, that God shaped us, and that God said, “It’s good.” Isn’t this the heart of the text?

Now what does the creation story say about homosexuality? Because the text says it is “natural” that a man and a woman come together to create a new life, some people think this means gay or lesbian couples are “unnatural.” They read this interpretation into the text, even though the text is silent about all kinds of relationships that don’t lead to having children:

  • couples who are unable to have children
  • couples who are too old to have children
  • couples who choose not to have children
  • people who are single

Are these relationships (or lack of relationships) “unnatural”? There’s nothing said here that condemns or approves the love that people of the same sex have for each other, including the love I have for my partner, Gary.

Those are called exceptions.  And some debate whether it is God’s plan for people to choose not to have children.  And if they are unable to have children or are too old then that may have been God’s design.

Mel argues disingenuously and from silence about the Bible not condemning the love they have for each other.  First, the Bible thinks Mel and Gary’s love is great.  It has no objections to that at all.  It just says you should add sex to the relationship.  Big difference.

Mel picks and chooses his verses quite a bit, and rarely includes the parts that hurt his case.  Consider Genesis 2:23-24 The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.” For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

One man, one woman, one flesh.

So I believe the creation story says a lot about God’s power and presence in the universe — but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.

He says this out of ignorance, whether deliberately or not.  The creation story showed God’s plan for marriage.  It is crystal clear.

PASSAGE 2
GENESIS 19:1-14
THE STORY OF SODOM

Now let’s consider the second biblical text used by some people to condemn God’s gay children. You remember the ancient story of Sodom. First, what does the story of Sodom in Genesis 19 say about God?

When Gary and I arrive at a college or university to speak, there are often protesters carrying signs that read, “Mel White, Sodomite.” (Has a nice ring to it.) Actually, I’m not from Sodom. That city was buried beneath the Dead Sea centuries ago. I’m from California — but perhaps that just confirms their suspicions!

Once again, this story is not primarily about sex. It is primarily about God. Some people say the city of Sodom was destroyed because it was overrun by sexually obsessed homosexuals. In fact, the city of Sodom had been doomed to destruction long before. So what is this passage really about?

Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom — and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn’t mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom.

Listen to what Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: “This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God’s eyes.”

Hmmmm . . . Mel forgot to include Ezekiel 16:50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.  That’s odd, because I think the word detestable in that verse is the same as the one in Leviticus 18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.  Must have been an oversight.

Today, heterosexuals and homosexuals alike do well to remember that we break God’s heart when we spend all we earn on ourselves, when we forget the poor and hungry, when we refuse to do justice or show mercy, when we leave strangers at the gate.

I admit, there are a lot of gay folk who are Sodomites (and a lot of straight folk as well). Sodomites are rich and don’t share what they have with the poor. Sodomites have plenty and want more. While millions are hungry, homeless, and sick, Sodomites rush to build bigger homes, buy bigger cars, and own more property — putting their trust in safer stock portfolios and more secure retirement accounts.

Whatever teaching about sexuality you might get out of this passage, be sure to hear this central, primary truth about God as well. God has called us do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with our Creator. Sodom was destroyed because its people didn’t take God seriously about caring for the poor, the hungry, the homeless, or the outcast.

But what does the story of Sodom say about homosexual orientation as we understand it today? Nothing.

That is a diversion and a lie.  I’ll note what Joe Dallas said about the “inhospitality argument” – The argument makes no sense in light of Lot’s responses. His first response, “Don’t do this wicked thing,” could hardly apply to a simple request to “get to know” his guests. His second response is especially telling: he answered their demands by offering his two virgin daughters- another senseless gesture if the men wanted only a social knowledge of his guests. And why, if these men had innocent intentions, was the city destroyed for inhospitality? Whose rudeness was being judged-Lots’, or Sodom’s citizens? The theory raises more questions than it answers. While Boswell and Bailey are correct in pointing out the seriousness of inhospitality in Biblical times, inhospitality alone cannot account for the severity of Lot’s response to the men, or for the judgment that soon followed.

It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge, not about homosexuality or homosexual orientation. And it is still happening.

In August 1997, Abner Louima, a young black immigrant from Haiti, was assaulted by several police officers after he was arrested in Brooklyn. Officer Charles Schwarz held Louima down in a restroom at the precinct, while Officer Justin Volpe rammed a broken stick into Louima’s rectum. These two men and the three other officers involved in this incident and its cover-up were not gay. This was not a homosexual act. It was about power.

The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape — and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That’s why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God’s will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.

More from Dallas re. the “rape” angle, with emphasis added: The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include “all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old,” homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persuasive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies, but her argument is weakened by Professor Thomas Schmidt’s cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices: The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites ‘sexually promiscuous’ (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to ‘Sodom, which departed from the order of nature’ (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were ‘polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh’ (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom.

Also, keep in mind that God sent the angels to destroy Sodom before the attempted rape.  They had already been judged for actions already committed.

PASSAGE
LEVITICUS 18:22 AND 20:13
THE HOLINESS CODE

Let’s move on. What do the two verses sometimes cited from Leviticus say about God?

Leviticus 18:6 reads: “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female. It is an abomination.” A similar verse occurs two chapters later, in Leviticus 20:13: “A man who sleeps with another man is an abomination and should be executed.” On the surface, these words could leave you feeling rather uneasy, especially if you are gay. But just below the surface is the deeper truth about God — and it has nothing to do with sex.

Leviticus is a holiness code written 3,000 years ago. This code includes many of the outdated sexual laws we mentioned earlier, and a lot more. It also includes prohibitions against round haircuts, tattoos, working on the Sabbath, wearing garments of mixed fabrics, eating pork or shellfish, getting your fortune told, and even playing with the skin of a pig. (There goes football!)

So what’s a holiness code? It’s a list of behaviors that people of faith find offensive in a certain place and time. In this case, the code was written for priests only, and its primary intent was to set the priests of Israel over and against priests of other cultures.

At the age of 10, I signed a holiness code written by the Women’s Christian Temperance Union that said I would never taste beer, wine, or liquor. I thought signing it would please God and my grandmother. That’s a holiness code. When I was in high school we evangelical Christians had an unwritten holiness code that went like this: “I don’t drink, smoke, or chew, or go with girls who do.” Now I know what you’re thinking. That last part about “girls who do” proved especially easy for me. But the point is that I obeyed this evangelical holiness code because my parents said that breaking these rules didn’t please God, and I knew it didn’t please them.

We had another evangelical holiness code while I was in high school that prohibited dancing. I was student body president, yet I refused to go to the prom because I had promised not to dance. I did this to please God and my mother — whose mother had made her sign a holiness code that she wouldn’t go to dances either.

What about this word abominationthat comes up in both passages? In Hebrew, “abominations” (TO’EBAH) are behaviors that people in a certain time and place consider tasteless or offensive. To the Jews an abomination was not a law, not something evil like rape or murder forbidden by the Ten Commandments. It was a common behavior by non-Jews that Jews thought was displeasing to God.

Jesus and Paul both said the holiness code in Leviticus does not pertain to Christian believers. Nevertheless, there are still people who pull the two verses about men sleeping together from this ancient holiness code to say that the Bible seems to condemn homosexuality.

Mel is grossly mistaken.  He trots out the shellfish argument, which is full of holes but is appealing to many because so few bother to read the passages in context. I encourage you to read this piece for a thorough debunking of that thinking.  Here’s a summary: There were different Hebrew words translated as abomination. They were used differently in the individual verses and were used very differently in broader contexts.  The associated sins had radically different consequences and had 100% different treatments in the New Testament. 

If Mel was studying carefully, he’d know the the word translated as “abomination” (or “detestable”) is different for the shellfish and the homosexual behavior sections.  More imporantly, the context of the shellfish type rules (e.g., the ceremonial laws designed to set the Israelites apart from other peoples) is clearly different than the rule against homosexual behavior.

Look how Leviticus 18 starts and ends: Leviticus 18:1-3 The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. Leviticus 18:30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.”

Does Mel want us to believe that God was going to wipe out the Canaanites for not following the Jewish holiness code?  That makes no sense.

But wait, before we go any further, let’s ask: What does this text say about God? Even if the old holiness codes no longer apply to us as Christians, it’s important to remember that in every age, people of faith are responsible for setting moral and ethical standards that honor God. But we people of faith must be very careful not to allow our own prejudices to determine what those standards should be.

Instead of selecting one item from an ancient Jewish holiness code and using it to condemn sexual or gender minorities, let’s talk together about setting sexual standards that please God — standards appropriate for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike, standards based on loving concern, health, and wholeness for ourselves and for others.

Now what do the Leviticus passages say about homosexuality?

I’m convinced those passages say nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today. Here’s why. Consider this single Bible passage that was used for centuries to condemn masturbation:

“He spilled his seed on the ground… And the thing which Onan did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also” (Genesis 38:9-10).

For Jewish writers of Scripture, a man sleeping with another man was an abomination. But it was also an abomination (and one worthy of death) to masturbate or even to interrupt coitus (to halt sex with your spouse before ejaculation as an act of birth control). Why were these sexual practices considered abominations by Scripture writers in these ancient times?

Because the Hebrew pre-scientific understanding was that the male semen contained the whole of life. With no knowledge of eggs and ovulation, it was assumed that the man’s sperm contained the whole child and that the woman provided only the incubating space. Therefore, the spilling of semen without possibility of having a child was considered murder.

Mel misses the point of scripture and tips his hand again.  Even if the Hebrews had a pre-scientific understanding of something it doesn’t mean that God did! God created the universe and everything in it, and would not inspire errors.

The Jews were a small tribe struggling to populate a country. They were outnumbered by their enemy. You can see why these ancient people felt it was an abomination to risk “wasting” even a single child. But the passage says nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.

We’ve talked about the passages in the Hebrew Scriptures that are used (or misused) by some people to condemn sexual minorities. Now let’s look at three verses from the letters of the apostle Paul in the Christian Scriptures that are used the same way. Remember: First, we’ll ask what the text says about God; second, we’ll consider what it may or may not say about sexual orientation.

PASSAGE 4
ROMANS 1:26-27
NATURAL AND UNNATURAL

What does Romans 1:26-27 say about God?

For our discussion, this is the most controversial biblical passage of them all. In Romans 1:26-27 the apostle Paul describes non-Jewish women who exchange “natural use for unnatural” and non-Jewish men who “leave the natural use of women, working shame with each other.”

This verse appears to be clear: Paul sees women having sex with women and men having sex with men, and he condemns that practice. But let’s go back 2,000 years and try to understand why.

Paul is writing this letter to Rome after his missionary tour of the Mediterranean. On his journey Paul had seen great temples built to honor Aphrodite, Diana, and other fertility gods and goddesses of sex and passion instead of the one true God the apostle honors. Apparently, these priests and priestesses engaged in some odd sexual behaviors — including castrating themselves, carrying on drunken sexual orgies, and even having sex with young temple prostitutes (male and female) — all to honor the gods of sex and pleasure.

The Bible is clear that sexuality is a gift from God.

Actually, it is clear that sex is for one man and one woman in marriage.  That is very, very clear.

Our Creator celebrates our passion. But the Bible is also clear that when passion gets control of our lives, we’re in deep trouble.

When we live for pleasure, when we forget that we are God’s children and that God has great dreams for our lives, we may end up serving the false gods of sex and passion, just as they did in Paul’s time. In our obsession with pleasure, we may even walk away from the God who created us — and in the process we may cause God to abandon all the great dreams God has for our lives.

Did these priests and priestesses get into these behaviors because they were lesbian or gay? I don’t think so. Did God abandon them because they were practicing homosexuals? No. Read the text again.

No, how about if Mel reads the text again?  It never mentions temple prostitutes.  In fact, the whole temple prostitute reasoning falls apart completely when you study the text in detail as Mel encourages us to.

Romans 1 doesn’t include the words “temple prostitute,” “temple” or “prostitute.” The temple prostitute theory is completely read into it.  Read Romans 1 for yourself and see what I mean.

The context of the passage militates against the temple prostitute view. Romans 1 is perhaps the most big picture book of the Bible, with messages that are not only world-wide in scope but timeless as well. The context is rebellion against God and what He has clearly revealed to us all, so that we are “without excuse.” So to say that Paul is zeroing in on a local custom is to completely miss the point.

Also consider the sins listed at the end of the chapter which have nothing to do with pagan worship practices (greed, arrogance, gossip, etc.).

I am not aware of any lesbian temple prostitutes, by the way.  Maybe Mel is.  So why is the first example in Romans about lesbians?

In our Soulforce video, There’s a Wideness in God’s Mercy, the Rev. Dr. Louis B. Smedes, a distinguished Christian author and ethicist, describes exactly how the Bible says these promiscuous priests and priestesses got into this mess. Once again it has nothing to do with homosexuality:

SMEDES: “The people Paul had in mind refused to acknowledge and worship God, and for this reason were abandoned by God. And being abandoned by God, they sank into sexual depravity.”

SMEDES: “The homosexuals I know have not rejected God at all; they love God and they thank God for his grace and his gifts. How, then, could they have been abandoned to homosexuality as a punishment for refusing to acknowledge God?”

SMEDES: “Nor have the homosexuals that I know given up heterosexual passions for homosexual lusts. They have been homosexual from the moment of their earliest sexual stirrings. They did not change from one orientation to another; they just discovered that they were homosexual. It would be unnatural for most homosexuals to have heterosexual sex.”

Smedes doesn’t understand Romans 1 then.  If everyone just follows their natural desires when it comes to sex, to whom is Paul speaking?  There would be no one to talk to!  And wouldn’t anyone charged with this sin just claim to be bisexual?

And he completely misunderstand the “natural” part of the text.  The Greek is very clear in saying that it is the natural function, not the natural desire.

Romans 1 is bulletproof against pro-gay theology.

SMEDES: “And the homosexual people I know do not lust after each other any more than heterosexual people do… their love for one another is likely to be just as spiritual and personal as any heterosexual love can be.”

Thank you, Dr. Smedes. (To get a copy of the video featuring Dr. Smedes, There’s a Wideness in God’s Mercy, visit http://www.soulforce.org.)

Getting to know a lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender person of faith will help you realize that it is unreasonable (and unjust) to compare our love for each other to the rituals of the priests and priestesses who pranced around the statues of Aphrodite and Diana. Once again, I feel certain this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it.

You’ll also note that Romans 2 begins with “Therefore, [referring to Romans 1], you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself…” Even after he describes the disturbing practices he has seen, Paul warns us that judging others is God’s business, not ours.

Mel makes the common error about judging.  People make judgments all the time.  Jesus taught us to judge properly.  Mel’s whole piece here is an extended-play judgment.  So he is being disingenuous to say we shouldn’t judge.

PASSAGES 5 AND 6
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 AND 1 TIMOTHY 1:10
THE MYSTERY OF “MALOKOIS” AND “ARSENOKOITAI”

Now what do the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 say, first, about God, and then about homosexuality? These are the last two places in the Bible that seem to refer to same-sex behavior. We can combine them because they are so similar.

Paul is exasperated. The Christians in Ephesus and Corinth are fighting among themselves. (Sound familiar?) In Corinth they’re even suing one another in secular courts. Paul shouts across the distance, “You are breaking God’s heart by the way you are treating one another.”

Like any good writer, Paul anticipates their first question: “Well, how are we supposed to treat one another?” Paul answers, “You know very well how to treat one another from the Jewish law written on tablets of stone.”

The Jewish law was created by God to help regulate human behavior. To remind the churches in Corinth and Ephesus how God wants us to treat one another, Paul recites examples from the Jewish law first. Don’t kill one another. Don’t sleep with a person who is married to someone else. Don’t lie or cheat or steal. The list goes on to include admonitions against fornication, idolatry, whoremongering, perjury, drunkenness, revelry, and extortion. He also includes “malokois” and “arsenokoitai.”

Here’s where the confusion begins. What’s a malokois? What’s an arsenokoitai? Actually, those two Greek words have confused scholars to this very day. We’ll say more about them later, when we ask what the texts say about sex. But first let’s see what the texts say about God.

After quoting from the Jewish law, Paul reminds the Christians in Corinth that they are under a new law: the law of Jesus, a law of love that requires us to do more than just avoid murder, adultery, lying, cheating, and stealing. Paul tells them what God wants is not strict adherence to a list of laws, but a pure heart, a good conscience, and a faith that isn’t phony.

That’s the lesson we all need to learn from these texts. God doesn’t want us squabbling over who is “in” and who is “out.” God wants us to love one another. It’s God’s task to judge us. It is NOT our task to judge one another.

So what do these two texts say about homosexuality? Are gays and lesbians on that list of sinners in the Jewish law that Paul quotes to make an entirely different point?

Greek scholars say that in first century the Greek word malaokois probably meant “effeminate call boys.” The New Revised Standard Version says “male prostitutes.”

As for arsenokoitai, Greek scholars don’t know exactly what it means — and the fact that we don’t know is a big part of this tragic debate. Some scholars believe Paul was coining a name to refer to the customers of “the effeminate call boys.” We might call them “dirty old men.” Others translate the word as “sodomites,” but never explain what that means.

In 1958, for the first time in history, a person translating that mysterious Greek word into English decided it meant homosexuals, even though there is, in fact, no such word in Greek or Hebrew. But that translator made the decision for all of us that placed the word homosexual in the English-language Bible for the very first time.

In the past, people used Paul’s writings to support slavery, segregation, and apartheid. People still use Paul’s writings to oppress women and limit their role in the home, in church, and in society.

As noted above, that is irrelevant.  The Bible was used to address those societal ills as well.  So the only question is, “What does the Bible really say?”

Now we have to ask ourselves, “Is it happening again?” Is a word in Greek that has no clear definition being used to reflect society’s prejudice and condemn God’s gay children?

We all need to look more closely at that mysterious Greek word arsenokoitai in its original context. I find most convincing the argument from history that Paul is condemning the married men who hired hairless young boys (malakois) for sexual pleasure just as they hired smooth-skinned young girls for that purpose.

Responsible homosexuals would join Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would join anyone else in condemning the threatened gang rape in Sodom or the behavior of the sex-crazed priests and priestesses in Rome. So, once again, I am convinced that this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.

I’ll just paste Joe Dallas’ response to this here:

Paul coined 179 terms in the New Testament. The terms do not, because they are original, significantly change the context of the verses they appear in.

Nor is it remarkable he would have coined this one, considering he derived it directly from the Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint):

meta arsenos ou koimethese koiten gyniakos
(Lev 18:22)

hos an koimethe meta arsenos koiten gynaikos
(Lev 20:13)

In other words, when Paul adopted the term arsenokoite, he took it directly from the Levitical passages-in the Greek translation- forbidding homosexual behavior. The meaning, then, could not be clearer: Though the term is unique to Paul, it refers specifically to homosexual behavior.

As for the inference that it applies to male prostitution, a breakdown of the word shows it implies nothing of the sort. ‘Arsene,’ as mentioned earlier, appears few times in the New Testament, always referring to “male.” ‘Koite’ appears only twice in the New Testament, and means “bed,” used in a sexual connotation:

Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality [koite] and debauchery… (Rom 13:13)

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed [koite] kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. (Heb 13:4)

The two words combined, as Paul used them, put “male” and “bed” together in a sexual sense. There is no hint of prostitution in the meaning of either of the words combined to make arsenokoite.

MY SIXTH PREMISE:

The biblical authors are silent about homosexual orientation as we know it today. They neither approve it nor condemn it.

We’ve looked closely at the six biblical texts used by some people to condemn homosexuality. But we must also remember that Jesus, the Jewish prophets, and even Paul never even comment on the responsible love a gay man or lesbian feels for another.

Right.  Because homosexual behavior received the death penalty in Israel.

The Bible is completely silent on the issue of homosexual orientation. And no wonder. Homosexual orientation wasn’t even known until the 19th century.

Mel hasn’t proven that there is a genetic orientation, and even if he could, that wouldn’t make the behavior moral.

The discovery that some of us are created and/or shaped in our earliest infancy toward same-gender attraction was made in the last 150 years. Biblical authors knew nothing about sexual orientation. Old Testament authors and Paul assumed all people were created heterosexual, just as they believed the earth was flat, that there were heavens above and hell below, and that the sun moved up and down.

But God didn’t believe those things! Mel tips his hand again with his foundational distrust of God’s word.

In 1864, almost 3,000 years after Moses and at least 18 centuries after the apostle Paul, the German social scientist Karl Heinrich Ulrichs was the first to declare that homosexuals were a distinct class of individuals. It was a big moment for all sexual minorities. It’s our Columbus discovering the New World. It’s our Madame Curie discovering radium used for Xrays. It’s our Neil Armstrong walking on the moon. It may seem like one small step for the rest of you, but it’s a giant leap for us.

Ulrichs assured the world of what we who are homosexual already know in our hearts. We aren’t just heterosexuals choosing to perform same-sex behaviors. We are a whole class of people whose drive to same-sex intimacy is at the very core of our being from the very beginning of our lives.

That is a lie that dooms many people with homosexual desires.

Although the word homosexualwas not used for the first time until later in the 19th century, Ulrichs recognized that homosexuals had been around from the beginning of recorded time, that we were “innately different from heterosexuals,” and that our desire for same-sex intimacy and affiliation is intrinsic, natural, inborn and/or shaped in earliest infancy. According to Dr. Ulrichs, what may have looked “unnatural” to Moses and Paul was in fact “natural” to homosexuals.

So this is my sixth premise. The Biblical authors knew nothing of homosexual orientation as we understand it, and therefore said nothing to condemn or approve it.

The authors of the Bible are authorities in matters of faith. They can be trusted when they talk about God. But they should not be considered the final authorities on sexual orientation any more than they are the final authorities on space travel, gravity, or the Internet.

Since the writers of Scripture are not the final authorities on human sexuality, since they didn’t even know about sexual orientation as we understand it today, since Jesus and the Jewish prophets were silent about any kind of same-sex behavior, I am persuaded that the Bible has nothing in it to approve or condemn homosexual orientation as we understand it.

Again, that is a ridiculous conclusion.  It denies that God is the author of scripture.

MY SEVENTH PREMISE:

Although the prophets, Jesus, and other biblical authors say nothing about homosexual orientation as we understand it today, they are clear about one thing: As we search for truth, we are to “love one another.”

We may not be able to use the Bible as our final authority on sexual orientation. But as we search for the truth, we can and should use the Bible as our final authority on how we should treat one another along the way.

A young Jewish scholar asked Jesus, “What is the greatest commandment?” Quoting the prophets, Jesus replied, “The great commandment is this… to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and the second command is like it, to love your neighbor as you love yourself.”

“This is my commandment,” Jesus said, “that you love one another, as I have loved you.” On this the Bible is explicitly clear. Even if we disagree about what the Bible seems to say about homosexuality, we can agree that above all else we are commanded by the Scriptures to love God and to love one another.

Since God is the God of truth, since Jesus himself told us that the truth would set us free, one way that we love God and love one another is by seeking the truth about sexual orientation wherever we can find it.

There is a growing body of evidence from science, psychology, history, psychiatry, medicine, and personal experience that leads to a clear verdict: Homosexuality is neither a sickness nor a sin. Unfortunately, the church has always been slow, if not the last institution on earth, to accept new truth.

But that isn’t what the Bible says.  If you really love God, you’ll defer to its truths.

In 1632 the scientist Galileo (who was a man of faith) dared to support the radical 15th-century idea of Copernicus that all planets, including the earth, revolve around the sun. Immediately, Galileo was proclaimed a heretic by the Pope who quoted Scriptures in his attempt to disprove what science was proving.

This is a side-note, but Mel repeats a myth about Galileo here.

Earlier, Protestant heroes had joined in quoting Scriptures condemning Copernicus. These weren’t evil men. But they couldn’t admit that the Bible was a book about God, not about astronomy — just as good men and women today have trouble admitting that the Bible is a book about God, not about human sexuality.

Martin Luther said, “This fool Copernicus wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred Scripture in Joshua 10:13 tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth.”

John Calvin quoted Psalm 93 in his attack on Copernicus. “The earth also is established. It cannot be moved.” Calvin added, “Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?”

Melancthon, one of Luther’s closest allies, used Ecclesiastes 1:4-5 to condemn Copernicus. “The sun also rises, and the sun goes down and hurries to the place from which it came.” Then he added these dangerous words: “It is the part of a good mind to accept the truth as revealed by God and to obey it.” In other words, believe what the Bible says — even if science disproves it.

Because Christians refused to let their understanding of God’s Word be informed by science, Copernicus was condemned and Galileo was declared a heretic and placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life. In 1992, 359 years later, Pope John Paul II finally admitted the church had been wrong to ignore science and to interpret the Bible literally.

The Pope said something we must never forget: “Recent historical studies enable us to state that this sad misunderstanding now belongs to the past.” Unfortunately, the apology came too late to relieve Galileo of his suffering. What if the biblical scholars of Galileo’s day had said to Galileo, “We don’t agree with your Copernican theories, but we love and trust you. As long as you love God and seek God’s will in your life, you are welcome here.”

Imagine the suffering that could be avoided if the church could say this to their lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender children: “We don’t understand your views about sexual orientation, but we love and trust you. As long as you love God and seek God’s will in your life, you are welcome here.”

Instead, well-intentioned Christians are driving their own children away from the church, using Scripture passages that may not even pertain to sexual orientation as we understand it.

MY EIGHTH PREMISE:

Whatever some people believe the Bible says about homosexuality, they must not use that belief to deny homosexuals their basic civil rights. To discriminate against sexual or gender minorities is unjust and un-American.

Please consider one last thing. I love the Bible. I read God’s Word in it and hear God’s Word through it.

I don’t believe him.  He repeatedly stated above that the Bible couldn’t be right because of the pre-scientific views of the Israelites and other writers.

But the United States is not a nation governed by the Bible. Our nation is governed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Our laws were created to protect an individual’s right to disagree. If the Bible (or someone’s view of the Bible) replaces the Constitution as the law of the land, we undermine the great foundation upon which this country was built.

When I was a guest on a talk show in Seattle, I saw what might happen to me and to millions like me if a genuine literalist gained political power over this country. The other guest on the show was an independent Presbyterian pastor. When I told him that I was gay, he said without hesitation, “Then you should be killed.” A Christian brother sentenced me to death, guided only by his literal understanding of Leviticus 20:13.

The pastor was mistaken.  That punishment doesn’t apply to people outside of the Israelite theocracy.

I asked him, “Who should do the killing, you church folk?” He answered, “No, that’s the civil authorities’ job. That’s why we need to elect more good men of God into government.” I sat there in stunned silence, until he added, “I know it must be hard for you to hear it, Dr. White — but God said it first and it’s our job to obey.”

I hope we can agree that all of us must stand together against those who would replace the Constitution with biblical law. That’s why, when I lecture on a university campus, I carry a Bible in one pocket and a Constitution in the other.

Can we support full civil rights for all… even if we disagree?

He has completely changed subjects at this point.  The pamphlet is about what the Bible says, now he is saying to ignore the Bible with respect to the topic.  Civil Rights for skin colors are fine, because those are morally neutral.  But sexual behaviors are not morally neutral.  Shame on Mel for co-opting the real issues of the Civil Rights movement to advance his perverted agenda.

In this last premise, I’m asking you who disagree with my stand on homosexuality to support my stand on full civil rights for all people, including gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender Americans.

I hope you’ll agree that we are family, all sisters and brothers of the same heavenly parent. We may be different, but we can still live together in peace.

Thanks for reading this pamphlet. I’m grateful. If you are interested in learning more, I’ve listed a few resources on the next few pages. You can also find resources online at our Web page, http://www.soulforce.org.

According to the Bible, we are not all God’s children.

Why would we vote for civil rights for sexual preferences?  Mel endlessly conflates not granting civil rights with persecution.  Those are not synonymous.

Phew!  That’s a lot of errors to address, and I didn’t even hit them all.

Please pray for the people that Mel and Soulforce have either misled or are trying to mislead.  If you believe their lies they will take you further from God and his eternal truths.  Homosexual behavior is a sin but it is not unforgivable.  We are all sinners in need of a Savior, and Jesus is that only Savior.  He will forgive you.  But shaking your fist at him and unrepentantly sinning is a bad idea.

14 thoughts on “Endless errors from Soulforce”

  1. Hey Neil, you forgot about…um, no, I think you have it all pretty much covered. I think the key verse is the Romans one, if you have an understanding of that verse, then you don’t have to go so much into the OT moral vs. ceremonial laws. Which, the latter is very important to understand as well, but that requires more study, whereas the Romans verse is more evident.

    I think another important thing is the whole aspect of homosexual desires. People incorrectly think that if someone has those, then obviously being gay is okay. But I think all heterosexual men have had “natural desires” that fall outside the marriage covenant and are sinful.

    But sometimes Christians get something wrong in this area too. They see the homosexual desires as something that has to be “cured”. But even as I mentioned above, we all have inappropriate desires at times, but our focus should be to not act upon them, draw closer to God so those desires are not as strong, and if necessary, seek counseling to understand why we have those desires. I’ve seen documentaries where they strap a gay man to a television screen that shows a bunch of women, in order to “fix” him. But would we do anything like that to a straight man who committed adultery….make him see nothing but his wife on a tv screen for several hours. (Actually, not a bad idea, but it would do nothing to solve the problem). The point is, don’t focus so much on changing the desires, focus on God, and he changes the desires. I know that it is a totally different struggle for some people and I can never understand it, but I believe the principles are the same.

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  2. Excellent post, Neil! Linked to it today.

    Sometimes I just cannot believe at what lengths groups like Soulfarce and the gcm will go to compromise for sin, cover their sin, enable others to follow their sin and lead them to heresy through the twisting of Scripture!

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  3. Very good post. I also would have to add that Chance makes an excellent point as well. In fact, I think part of the blame falls on us for other reasons as well. Many Christians tend to bring their own personal disgust (not to be confused with righteous disgust) to the argument when dealing with homosexuals.

    It took me awhile to realize this myself as I have probably pushed more homosexuals away from Christ earlier in life by falling into that trap. It’s that type of thinking that leads to a need to “fix” them. The behavior not only offends our Christian sensibilities, but many of our traditional ones as well. While still bothered by it on a personal level, I’ve learned to focus on God in such debates. It allows me to remind them it’s not condemnation by me, but condemnation by God. Not for the specific act of homosexuality alone, but also for the overarching sexual immorality the encompasses it. I would find the same sin in a man who is sexually immoral with a woman. It works essentially the same for rebelious (intentional or otherwise) brothers and sisters. It can never be about OUR “feelings”, but our reflection of God’s “feelings” on the matter. I think the more rational, scripture based arguments like the one presented here would only help such confusions. Well done!

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  4. “But sometimes Christians get something wrong in this area too. They see the homosexual desires as something that has to be “cured”. But even as I mentioned above, we all have inappropriate desires at times, but our focus should be to not act upon them,…”

    Chance if sin is indeed a sickness, and Jesus came as a physician to cure those who are sick, then why are you exempting homosexual desires? Doesnt all sin begin incubated as a desire in the mind or heart. And according to James, sin when it is finished produces death. That doesnt sound to me like desires are not to be taken as serious as acting out sin.

    Additionally, James explains that these thought orginate with man, not satan and not God. Thus we cannot categorize these wayward thoughts as “temptations” because temptation orginate with satan. And being tempted is not a sin.

    The second aspect of your thinking is illogical if it were applied to other wrong actions.

    Would you tell someone it is okay to think about killing someone as long as they didnt act on it?

    Would you tell someone they are ok if they think about lying on someone as long as they dont tell the lie?

    What you are implying is that one’s thoughts or desires are inconsequential to living a life pleasing to God. That couldnt be further from the truth.

    Romans 12 tells us our minds (thoughts, desires) must be transformed not conformed to the world.

    Jesus said that even if a man looks (desires in his heart) upon a woman to lust after her, he has committed the act just the same.

    So by telling a homosexual that his/her desires for same sex erotic attention are harmless, you are lying to them and putting them at risk of failure when they are tempted.

    Neil: home run on this brother!

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  5. Hi gcmwatch,
    I think there is a difference between the desires initially being there and focusing on those desires. As a heterosexual man, I am naturally attracted to women other than my wife. Does that mean I have the freedom to focus on thoughts about other women? No, not at all. Same with anger. It may be natural for me to be angry at someone, but I should not focus on that anger and have God help me to work past those feelings.

    All I am saying is that if a man is unfaithful to his wife or is struggling with that, we don’t focus on programs to eliminate his attraction to other women. Maybe you disagree and think that should be the focus, but to me, we should make sure that man stays away from one-on-one contact with other females whenever possible, have him spend more time in the Word and in prayer, and teach him not to dwell on thoughts about other women. Again, there is a strong difference between the ideas that we can eliminate that man’s attractions, vs. tempering them, make sure he doesn’t act on them and even focus on them.

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  6. I should add, I think the desires aspect is important. It’s not always clear where the dividing line is between where certain desires are expected and where the desires are sinful. If we were perfect, sinless beings, would we have any sinful desires, or would temptation be completely external to us.

    But let’s say you are right, gcmwatch, and that even having the desires themselves are sinful. Even then, I think many Christians take the wrong approach and focus on eliminating those desires first. I don’t think that should be the case. I think we should focus on eliminating the actions and thought life, and getting the person closer to Christ (I know that sounds like a generic term, but I believe it to be true, nonetheless). The elimination or suppression of the desires will follow.

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  7. This is a GREAT piece…if possible I’d like to comment in parts because of the length. I take exception to this pamphlets total ignorance of the law while trying to justify a lifestyle.

    No one (I know) condemns homosexuals based on their sex preferences. We all sin. Let he who is not, cast the first stone!

    Proverbs 30:6 – )Do not add to His words. Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar! [NASB]

    Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because ALL were wicked and what I would call unredeemable. Homosexuality (I believe) had ILL to do with it. I invite you to make up your own mind.

    Babylonian Talmud: Sanhedrin 109b

    Book of Jasher Chapter 19-20

    Even if you consider these texts ‘folklore’, it kind of brings clear what type of wickedness willcry to heaven!

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  8. WOW! My head hurts. You are correct. There are too many errors to address and some I cannot believe you let him get away with!!!

    I took special exception to his rantings about the holiness code. Its obvious he has not read, but listened. Maybe he read the Cliff Notes. I am someone who practices the dietary laws, and I will admit it is DIFFICULT in western society, but not impossible. Some of these laws may have been for the Israelite theocracy (I used to believe that too), but when you learn about your health, eating the way God intended, you will realize some of those laws are in place because some foods are downright lethal!

    Shellfish/Shrimp are scavengers. They will eat ANYTHING! Do you want to put that in your ‘temple’?

    moving on to my last point….it made me the angriest!

    “He spilled his seed on the ground… And the thing which Onan did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also” (Genesis 38:9-10).

    I almost lost my mind when I read this! Is he serious? It’s laughable he includes this in the context of homosexuality and calling out masturbation as a sin. John Dallas has taken a flying leap off a bridge and wants others to join him. Onan (like his father) was trying to get out of doing something. following the law–sh!sh!sh!

    His brother had died and left his beautiful wife Tamar a widow! As the author as pointed out, his younger brother Onan had to lay with her until she produced a male heir. He didn’t like the idea, He spilled his seed and was punished. This is an awesome story in Genesis chapter 38

    Regardless of what he says there will always be punishment for disobeying the law. Homosexuality may not be explicit, but the Bible considers it a ‘gateway’ why chance it. There are plenty of non-practicing homosexuals out there and some are out of the closet too!

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  9. “WOW! My head hurts. You are correct. There are too many errors to address and some I cannot believe you let him get away with!!!”

    Ha! Yes, it is amazing how many errors he crammed into one pamphlet. This was probably my longest post ever so I just got tired. Maybe I’ll address the rest one day.

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